Free will and the necessary evil

[Ahriman]

Pretty sure it's reaching to say 'all'.

A handful of physicists have dual appointments, in physics and philosophy; I do not think that even they care what philosophers think.

Literally no one cares what philosophers think, some people just pretend to care to look smart.

[LadyForCamus]

A handful of physicists have dual appointments, in physics and philosophy; I do not think that even they care what philosophers think.

Literally no one cares what philosophers think, some people just pretend to care to look smart.

Still trollin’ huh?

[Ranjr]

I've read philosophy and loved it.  Then there's the other 87% of it.  Since this is the Christianity forum and too much philosophy is an apology for the folly of religion, I'll share that opinion.

The term for philosophical physics shouldn't be meta.  It should be prea.  Once a branch of science emerges from philosophical inquiry, it's no longer philosophy.  Move on to other questions.  What are the next questions?  Come on, philosophy, do your stuff.

[LinuxGal]

I've read philosophy and loved it.  Then there's the other 87% of it.  Since this is the Christianity forum and too much philosophy is an apology for the folly of religion, I'll share that opinion.

The term for philosophical physics shouldn't be meta.  It should be prea.  Once a branch of science emerges from philosophical inquiry, it's no longer philosophy.  Move on to other questions.  What are the next questions?  Come on, philosophy, do your stuff.

Science was originally natural philosophy. At some point physicists kicked philosophy to the curb so they could have their own department at Uni, to their own detriment, because they've been unable to come to grips with the quantum measurement problem for a century now, and lately they think constants aren't (fine-tuning).

[Angrboda]

I'm not following you.  Even if that were true, what does that have to do with anything?

All scholars agree that the findings of modern physics has had a significant impact on modern philosophy over the last century; the opposite is, however, not true.  Physicists do not care what philosophers think, except when they are trying to be polite about not caring.

I find your generalizations rather vapid and unfalsifiable, but I'm a bit confused by your position generally. If metaphysics is unfalsifiable, then how exactly can physics inform it?

[LinuxGal]

All scholars agree that the findings of modern physics has had a significant impact on modern philosophy over the last century; the opposite is, however, not true.  Physicists do not care what philosophers think, except when they are trying to be polite about not caring.

I find your generalizations rather vapid and unfalsifiable, but I'm a bit confused by your position generally.  If metaphysics is unfalsifiable, then how exactly can physics inform it?

Falsification is not the end-all and be-all of physics.   The daily horoscope is falsifiable but hardly scientific.

[LinuxGal]

Free will is not a scientific concept.  There can only be evidence of what we did choose, never of counterfactual outcomes. Physical laws proceed deterministically, with occasional stochastic interruptions due to quantum effects.  In either case, human will, whatever that is, can have no influence. (sic my emphasis added)

I will copy/paste what 2 mathematician told me in response to my claims about music, math, and reality. Here was my claim about music and math: "Thanks, this allows me to realize some strange, spooky stuff about reality. It's amazing the power of math and how reality seems to be easier to understand once you internalize some advanced math concepts, such as set theory or sequences."

Mathematician "A" responded: "No, most of the physical world can be modeled by mathematics. ¶ The idea that people are amazed that music can be modeled by Math is confusing to me. I wouldn’t say that music is Math. Yes, like most of the physical world it follows mathematical patterns."

Mathematician "B" responded: "Just be careful to realize that math does not always correspond with physical reality. As in, just because you can define a mathematical concept doesn't mean that the concept exists in the real world or implies anything at all about the real world by itself.

A wavefuction is a function. 
A function is a map. 
A map is not the territory.

[Jehanne]

All scholars agree that the findings of modern physics has had a significant impact on modern philosophy over the last century; the opposite is, however, not true.  Physicists do not care what philosophers think, except when they are trying to be polite about not caring.

I find your generalizations rather vapid and unfalsifiable, but I'm a bit confused by your position generally. If metaphysics is unfalsifiable, then how exactly can physics inform it?

Thomas Reid's "common sense philosophy".

[Angrboda]

I find your generalizations rather vapid and unfalsifiable, but I'm a bit confused by your position generally.  If metaphysics is unfalsifiable, then how exactly can physics inform it?

Thomas Reid's "common sense philosophy".

What about it?

[Jehanne]

Thomas Reid's "common sense philosophy".

What about it?

Thomas Reid stated, "That whatever begins to exist must have a cause which produced it...":

Thomas Reid: Theory of Action

Modern physicists reject such statements, as I suspect, do most modern day philosophers.  Hawking Radiation is one example of modern physics informing philosophy.