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RE: Satanic News
December 19, 2024 at 2:10 pm
(December 19, 2024 at 2:03 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: (December 18, 2024 at 6:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Let's just say that if your next door neighbor starts putting Satanist symbols on his front porch, you should proceed with caution.
Funny, I’ve alway felt the same way with xian trumpgod flags and nativity scenes
You people snap and shoot others up
Belacqua is a bigot who claims that all the Satanists are the same as some fringe group.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Satanic News
December 19, 2024 at 3:43 pm
Maybe...just maybe...they should not allow any religious displays on government property.
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RE: Satanic News
December 19, 2024 at 4:16 pm
(December 18, 2024 at 6:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote: I was wrong when I said that American Satanists were all harmless cos-players.
A few years ago I saw a documentary about American Satanists who gave that impression. They were just liberals who thought it was clever to poke Christians in the eye. The kind of people who think the characters on the Big Bang Show are role models.
Recently however, I've learned that there are active groups of self-described Satanists who are a lot worse. They spread accelerationist and Neo-Nazi ideology on line. Some of them have been around for a long time. There is overlap with Incel groups who blame everyone else for their loser status. Some of them go on line to encourage young people to harm themselves or others. These are bad people.
It looks as though the most recent school shooter --- the young woman who shot up the Christian school -- was influenced by these people. This is just speculation at this point. Nor do I have any idea whether the Satanists who put up the statue at city hall are mixed up with the Neo-Nazi types. I don't know.
Let's just say that if your next door neighbor starts putting Satanist symbols on his front porch, you should proceed with caution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles The Order of Nine Angles doesn't have any connection to TST, The Satanic Temple, who put up the display that some religious fuck'tard's destroyed. They(we) are recognized as an official religious organization, and are supposed to be given the same rights as any/all of the other christian denominations are.
Even if that means mocking and/or humiliating christianity, judaism, or islam. They apparently can't deal with anyone who won't follow their doctrines, and dares to say otherwise.
The losers who did this are nothing short of cowards.
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 4:35 am
(December 19, 2024 at 4:16 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: The Order of Nine Angles doesn't have any connection to TST, The Satanic Temple, who put up the display that some religious fuck'tard's destroyed. They(we) are recognized as an official religious organization, and are supposed to be given the same rights as any/all of the other christian denominations are.
Even if that means mocking and/or humiliating christianity, judaism, or islam. They apparently can't deal with anyone who won't follow their doctrines, and dares to say otherwise.
The losers who did this are nothing short of cowards.
Thank you -- you clearly know more about these groups than I do.
I'm glad to hear that the American group isn't related to the Nine Angles. They seem like a nasty bunch.
Two questions, if you happen to know:
Do the Nine Angles people believe in a real Satan, or do they use the name as a kind of symbol?
And am I correct in thinking that your group uses the name as a symbol or mascot, but doesn't hold to the idea that there's a real Satan out there? Like no one is asking for favors from an evil demon or anything.
As I think about it, I recall that there's a good precedent here. Some of the great English Romantic poets saw Satan as a kind of tragic hero, much like Prometheus. They held him up as a symbol of justified rebellion against authority. Though they seem to have gotten their image of Satan more from Milton than from Christian orthodoxy.
Blake, as usual, was unique. Since he saw God as the state or condition of infinite awareness, he defined Satan as the opposite -- a near-total condition of opacity. Humans could aspire to the condition of God, but, he thought, often fall to the condition of Satan.
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 4:39 am
(December 20, 2024 at 4:35 am)Belacqua Wrote: (December 19, 2024 at 4:16 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: The Order of Nine Angles doesn't have any connection to TST, The Satanic Temple, who put up the display that some religious fuck'tard's destroyed. They(we) are recognized as an official religious organization, and are supposed to be given the same rights as any/all of the other christian denominations are.
Even if that means mocking and/or humiliating christianity, judaism, or islam. They apparently can't deal with anyone who won't follow their doctrines, and dares to say otherwise.
The losers who did this are nothing short of cowards.
Thank you -- you clearly know more about these groups than I do.
I'm glad to hear that the American group isn't related to the Nine Angles. They seem like a nasty bunch.
Two questions, if you happen to know:
Do the Nine Angles people believe in a real Satan, or do they use the name as a kind of symbol?
And am I correct in thinking that your group uses the name as a symbol or mascot, but doesn't hold to the idea that there's a real Satan out there? Like no one is asking for favors from an evil demon or anything.
As I think about it, I recall that there's a good precedent here. Some of the great English Romantic poets saw Satan as a kind of tragic hero, much like Prometheus. They held him up as a symbol of justified rebellion against authority. Though they seem to have gotten their image of Satan more from Milton than from Christian orthodoxy.
Blake, as usual, was unique. Since he saw God as the state or condition of infinite awareness, he defined Satan as the opposite -- a near-total condition of opacity. Humans could aspire to the condition of God, but, he thought, often fall to the condition of Satan.
‘Unique’ is a very charitable term. What Blake was, was teetotal fucknuts crazy.
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 11:23 am
(December 20, 2024 at 4:35 am)Belacqua Wrote: (December 19, 2024 at 4:16 pm)MR. Macabre 666 Wrote: The Order of Nine Angles doesn't have any connection to TST, The Satanic Temple, who put up the display that some religious fuck'tard's destroyed. They(we) are recognized as an official religious organization, and are supposed to be given the same rights as any/all of the other christian denominations are.
Even if that means mocking and/or humiliating christianity, judaism, or islam. They apparently can't deal with anyone who won't follow their doctrines, and dares to say otherwise.
The losers who did this are nothing short of cowards.
Thank you -- you clearly know more about these groups than I do.
I'm glad to hear that the American group isn't related to the Nine Angles. They seem like a nasty bunch.
Two questions, if you happen to know:
Do the Nine Angles people believe in a real Satan, or do they use the name as a kind of symbol?
And am I correct in thinking that your group uses the name as a symbol or mascot, but doesn't hold to the idea that there's a real Satan out there? Like no one is asking for favors from an evil demon or anything.
As I think about it, I recall that there's a good precedent here. Some of the great English Romantic poets saw Satan as a kind of tragic hero, much like Prometheus. They held him up as a symbol of justified rebellion against authority. Though they seem to have gotten their image of Satan more from Milton than from Christian orthodoxy.
Blake, as usual, was unique. Since he saw God as the state or condition of infinite awareness, he defined Satan as the opposite -- a near-total condition of opacity. Humans could aspire to the condition of God, but, he thought, often fall to the condition of Satan. According to the Wiki Article you linked they are religious satanists so yes they do believe in a objective Satan this contrasts heavily as symbol or a metaphor.
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 2:10 pm
I'm not familiar with all the Satanist groups (never heard of the Nine Angels) but every group I have heard of or spoken to were atheists. They no more believe in a literal Satan than a divine Jesus. The ones I'm most familiar with used Satan as a metaphor for selfishness. As I said upthread, they reminded me very much of Ayn Rand followers. They aren't people I would want to hang out with but I'm definitely on their side when they take on the evangelist Christians.
They make me think of a line from a Billy Joel song: "I'd rather laugh with sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 2:12 pm
(December 19, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Maybe...just maybe...they should not allow any religious displays on government property.
But how else will citizens truly know this is a christian nation if the signs aren't everywhere?
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 2:28 pm
(December 20, 2024 at 2:12 pm)Silver Wrote: (December 19, 2024 at 3:43 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Maybe...just maybe...they should not allow any religious displays on government property.
But how else will citizens truly know this is a christian nation if the signs aren't everywhere?
380 000 Christian churches should be a clue.
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RE: Satanic News
December 20, 2024 at 4:37 pm
(December 20, 2024 at 2:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 20, 2024 at 2:12 pm)Silver Wrote: But how else will citizens truly know this is a christian nation if the signs aren't everywhere?
380 000 Christian churches should be a clue.
Boru
Damn.
That's a LOT of accelerant...
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