Do mimsy atheists gyre and gimble in the wabe?

[fr0d0]

You apparently do not understand basic theology Rabbit never mind advanced. Therefore in this course you've picked your seat. I guess there's no getting out of it.

Oh nice. I'm totally ready for it. Bring on your god that created the universe but prefers hide and seek since then. Are we gonna do some miracles here with fish and stuff? Or are you gonna stink up the place with a little sermon first? I'm all ears.

Sorry to disappoint Rabbit but I don't run the course "how not to be an asshole" for the dumb masses. Neither did I offer the course in basic theology, but then you seem to have a strange blindness to facts.

@ Rhizo: No, it's a purple rabbit in my headlights

[Dotard]

Well, that was fun. Now back to whatever the topic was.


Theology. Numerology. Astrology.

All are the study of nothing.

Advanced courses in theology will help you understand the whole God concept the same as advanced courses in numerology or astrology will help you understand the concepts of stars and numbers influencing a persons personal life.

Can you connect the dots?

One does not need advanced courses in poo-ology to understand / discuss / comment about that pile of doggy-doo in my backyard. I could do a bit of reading and research to obtain the knowledge of it's composition and origin. For one to claim I am unqualified to have an informed opinion on that pile of bio-waste because I have not a degree in shitology is a red herring. You're attempting to shift the focus of the discussion from the points made to the person making them. Diverting attention from the central issue.

[fr0d0]

Advanced courses in theology will help you understand the whole God concept the same as advanced courses in numerology or astrology will help you understand the concepts of stars and numbers influencing a persons personal life.

Can you connect the dots?

One does not need advanced courses in poo-ology to understand / discuss / comment about that pile of doggy-doo in my backyard. I could do a bit of reading and research to obtain the knowledge of it's composition and origin. For one to claim I am unqualified to have an informed opinion on that pile of bio-waste because I have not a degree in shitology is a red herring. You're attempting to shift the focus of the discussion from the points made to the person making them. Diverting attention from the central issue.

There's a significant difference between those subjects Dotard. The difference is key. The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology. This forum exists to discuss theological issues yet non theists here deny it's existence. Very odd don't you think?

[Pippy]

Hey,

Arcanus, thank you for posting. I would be happy to answer your questions.

Why do you expect atheists to conduct themselves with moral etiquette?

I expect everyone to conduct themselves with moral etiquette. I am not surprised when they don't, and that I do is an ideology, not a learned or reasoned behavior. I don't expect any less of Atheists, as I do believe that moral etiquette is not exclusive to theists. In fact, moral etiquette is lacking in most every place I can see. And, to be furthered later, I am not upset that they are not acting up to my, or common standards.

A person who is perplexed by ill-treatment from atheists is actually an idealist whose view is being confounded by reality.

I would hope that I am not an idealist confounded with reality, but I wouldn't really know, would I? I am far too close to the situation. I am not perplexed, that is a poor description of how I feel. I am not at all surprised. I have come to expect the things I have seen here. I am only upset that these guys (some much more than others) get all worked up themselves when you pretend to follow their moral example. A couple people were... rude to me, so I responded with (I felt) controlled rudeness. Then they are livid that I dare be rude back, and that I am not arguing on point. The only thing I am upset about, and then not very much so, is that I am being held to what are overwhelming and obvious double standards. If I had posted the "[expletive deleted] you [expletive deleted]" post, I would likely be chastised or banned (now that I am on thin ice). I don't care, it's not that I will only be happy when treated with respect, I am fine now. I only laugh at the absurdity of it all.

But I am rambling again. I don't see how my cynical mind state, or cynical behavior contradicts the (may be incorrect) fact that I am 'perplexed'. I am sure that it made sense when you wrote it, please re-explain if you want. I have faith that you make a good point, even when I don't understand it.

I appreciate you close, and for the first time in literally years I have to dust off the dictionary. I know a lot of words, but I just leaned a few more. You are right, I should just ignore any remark or post that doesn't have anything valid to say. Me and Kyu kind of enjoy working each other up. It is hard to tell who is being self-detrimental. I carried it on for a while because I felt Kyu was digging a hole, so I let him. I fully intend to not talk to him anymore though. Unless he has something of substance to say.

I appreciate your take on this little scene, and your time to share it. I hope I was able to clarify my motivators and feelings, but clarity is not my strength.

I am not stewing with anger, I just wanted to make it clear that in the world I live in, you can't act all illogical and boorish, and be taken as a wise and respectable debater. We will see how it all works out. I was surprised to find myself not banned this morning. One day at a time, like the drunks.

Thank you again,
-Pip

[Dotard]

The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology.

You maintaining the effects of theology are never negative and effects of numerology and astrology cannot be significant and positive?

Do you have an advanced degree in theology and numerology and astrology which qualifys you to make that statement?

[Rhizomorph13]

I expect everyone to conduct themselves with moral etiquette. I am not surprised when they don't, and that I do is an ideology, not a learned or reasoned behavior. I don't expect any less of Atheists, as I do believe that moral etiquette is not exclusive to theists. In fact, moral etiquette is lacking in most every place I can see. And, to be furthered later, I am not upset that they are not acting up to my, or common standards.

Pippy,

This is the most astute observation I have seen you make. Atheists can be both moral and show proper decorum. I would maintain that they are separate issues but I get where you are coming from.

We all take our jabs at each other and some jab harder than others. By the way, you will talk to Kyu again, you know it, I know it, get used to the idea. He has interesting things to say. I just wish he would let his rants stand as written because they amuse me.

The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology.

You maintaining the effects of theology are never negative and effects of numerology and astrology cannot be significant and positive?

Do you have an advanced degree in theology and numerology and astrology which qualifys you to make that statement?

Dotard,

You should check out http://www.astro.com. Go to "Free Horoscopes" select the "Short Horoscopes - Personal Portrait". You will need to know the hour of your birth. I did it and the whole report was pretty specific and applied to me.

I don't live my life according to horoscopes or anything, I just find it odd how well I match up to a description based on the date and hour of my birth on some website.

Rhizo

[fr0d0]

The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology.

You maintaining the effects of theology are never negative and effects of numerology and astrology cannot be significant and positive?

Do you have an advanced degree in theology and numerology and astrology which qualifys you to make that statement?

Theology covers them all Dotie. Superstition is bad stuff as well as nuts.

[Purple Rabbit]

The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology.

You maintaining the effects of theology are never negative and effects of numerology and astrology cannot be significant and positive?

Do you have an advanced degree in theology and numerology and astrology which qualifys you to make that statement?

Theology covers them all Dotie. Superstition is bad stuff as well as nuts.

So theology covers all superstitions. Quite amazing.

[fr0d0]

The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology.

You maintaining the effects of theology are never negative and effects of numerology and astrology cannot be significant and positive?

Do you have an advanced degree in theology and numerology and astrology which qualifys you to make that statement?

Theology covers them all Dotie. Superstition is bad stuff as well as nuts.

So theology covers all superstitions. Quite amazing.

You really are ill informed Rabbit

[Kyuuketsuki]

You people are just crazy.

You believe in invisible men in the sky and you think we're crazy?

Kyu

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My first point is a question, one that I do not intend to sound trivial but, in fact, quite sincere: "Why do you expect atheists to conduct themselves with moral etiquette?" You do have this expectation, but I find myself wondering how you came to have it. I should like this point to be addressed by you. (And I mean Pippy, since the question is not addressed to anyone else.)

And my return question to you is why on Earth would you expect atheists NOT to have a decent sense of behaviour, of etiquette, of morality (which I suppose is where you're going with this)?

Kyu

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There's a significant difference between those subjects Dotard. The difference is key. The effect of theology can be significant and positive. The opposite is true of numenrology and astrology. This forum exists to discuss theological issues yet non theists here deny it's existence. Very odd don't you think?

Why is there a "significant" difference? To most of us here there is no difference at all (they're all pie in the sky, fairy gah gah land rubbish) so justify that point please.

Not all PsOV are worthy of respect and I see no particular reason to suspect a belief in an invisible man in the sky over a belief that the stars dictate some aspect of our personalities ... in fact I'd actually say that I lean a little in favour of the astrology inasmuch as I can envisage that gravity, fields, and so on could have some marginal effect on us (I don't actually believe it).

Kyu