Freedom of Religion

[Mitja]

ok need to re post this-we need an new state that forbids religion .
If we are going to act like some pussies we arent going to achieve atheism on this world. WARNING: If you arent an atheist you will not be tolerated by this user

Oh Dear!

Well it looks like we have our first red-neck Atheist.... Had to happen I suppose

you totally missed my point there, This world will be an nicer, peacefull, happier world without religion

imagine no muslims making terrorist attacks,no christians bombarding abortion clinics ,...

But sadly people arent letting go from religion, they still want to be leave in maked up stories.

If we are going to tolerate their be leave we will never abandon religion. Just look around you and you will see how many problems religion does


example:
you dont get on with your neighbor cuz he bleaves in an flying spaghetti monster and you belave in scientific proven phenomenon.

if we would all be atheists we would all be friends


why do i hate religious people:

well its like an personal storie those ididots in my town are BLACK MAILING people who are atheists. They make fun out of us and they are searching ways that they can make us even more miserable. This is why i dont tolerate anyone who beleaves in god. They are all the same to me.

I also hang out with friends who relly dont like religion.
also my parents are hardcore atheists this also had an big influence on me
and so on.

Just read this and say that religion people arent stupid come one this is what religion is doing to the brain of the human
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewto...7f19d97c2b

[Mister Agenda]

And what do you suggest we do about their behavior if we're not going to tolerate it? Ban it and imprison those who refuse to recant? Never.

Make our case in the marketplace of ideas and trust the soundness of our arguments will gradually win more and more people over to our view? That's tolerance. Mock their terrible arguments? Still tolerance.

What do you have in mind?

[Abracadabra]

Because actually, while believers in Christianity may not realize it, their continued belief in Christianity actually loans merit and support to Islam. Because after all, they are both based on the same foundational doctrines.

So when Christians support Christianity they are actually supporting the God of Islam at the same time without even realizing it.

By Definition Christians follow Christ Jesus and predominantly trinitarian, Muslims do not follow Jesus, nor do Jews. Jehovah's witnesses aren't trinitarian so they could be considered fringe Christian on that doctrine alone. I think your understanding of the Abrahamic religions is infantile and incomplete. I welcome your opinion, but you know they say opinions are like ...

By who's definition of Christianity?

You accuse me of having an infantile and incomplete understanding of the Abrahamic religoins, yet here you are acting as though the "Christ" of Christianity can somehow be separated from the God of Abraham of the Old Testament.

That, my friend is utterly impossible. The whole point of the New Testament is to try to claim that Jesus was the miraculous Son of the God of Abraham sent by this God through a virgin birth to become the sacrificial lamb to pay for the "sins" of mankind.

This is actually a great folly of Christianity itself. The so-called followers of this religion (i.e. people who claim to be "Christians") try very hard to make Jesus into GOD, and basically reject the idea that the God of Abraham is actually the GOD of this religion.

No, I'm sorry tackattack, but if anyone's misunderstanding Christianity and the Abraham religions here it's you.

You cannot simultaneously claim that Jesus was the "Son of the God of Abraham", and then try to pretend like being a Christian has nothing to do with the God of Abraham. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. In fact, even as a "Christian" you are supposed to love the God of Abraham with all your mind, heart, and soul. NOT Jesus!

This is the folly of Christianity. They try to make Jesus into God and use Jesus as an excuse to pretend that the God of Abraham doesn't matter anymore.

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Even according to the gospels, Jesus himself did not approve, nor condone the immoral teachings of the Torah that had been attributed to the "God of Abraham" Thus Jesus was a blasphemer of the God of Abraham renouncing the teachings and directives of that God.

The God of Abraham taught that people should seek revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Jesus renounced that teaching and instead suggested that people should not seek revenge and should instead turn the other cheek and forgive those who trespass against them.

That's a complete rejection of the teachings and WORD of the God of Abraham.

Jesus also refuted the directive that we should be judging others and stoning them to death as sinners. Jesus taught not to judge others.

Again that's complete and utterly blaspheme against the WORD of the God of Abraham from the Torah.

Jesus was most likely a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist (that was the most popular form of Buddhism in those days). The things that Jesus taught are far more in line with the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism than they are with the teachings of the God of Abraham.

So even according to the New Testament Jesus himself blasphemed against the teachings of the Torah and the "Word" of the God of that religion.

You speak about being naive, or infantile with respect to the Abrahamic religions, yet if you think for one second that you can separate Jesus from the God of Abraham in this region you are the one who has absolutely no understanding of the religion.

You cannot separate Jesus from the God of Abraham and maintain his divine status as the "Son of God". That's utter nonsense.

It's the God of Abraham that you are supposed to LOVE with all your mind, body, and soul NOT Jesus!

And clearly Jesus could not have been the God of Abraham since he totally disagreed with the mentality and directives of that mythological God. Jesus actually rejected the teachings of the God of Abraham and instead taught the more intelligent moral ethics of Mahayana Buddhism (or at least their precise equivalent if by accident).

Jesus did not support the immoral teachings of the God of Abraham.

So you're the one who needs to study up on the Abrahamic Religions my friend. You're not supposed to be worshiping Jesus, you're suppose to be worshiping the God of Abraham. The same God who hates homosexuals, supports male-chauvinism, slavery, and judging people and stoning them to death even though he had commanded people not to kill.

It's an asinine religion. Sorry but that's just the TRUTH of reality.

A God who commands people not to kill and then instructs them to judge others and stone sinners to death? And even their unruly children?

The Abrahamic religion is stupider than Greek Mythology, IMHO.

And Jesus was most likely a misunderstood Mahayana Buddhist who actually spoke out against this utter nonsense taught by the Torah.

According to the authors of the New Testament. Jesus rejected all that crap. He couldn't have been the "Son" of the God of Abraham, because he didn't even agree with the teachings attributed to that God. He taught the exact opposite moral values. And what he taught was already being taught by the Mahayana Buddhists long before Jesus was ever born.

If Jesus could be a "God" in his own right maybe the religion could be made to work. But that wouldn't be "Christianity".

In Christianity Jesus is nothing without the God of Abraham. The Christian Jesus stands on the shoulders of the God of Abraham. Take away the God of Abraham and Jesus has no legs of his own to stand on in these fables.

I understand this religion to the hilt.

Clearly you don't.

[Mitja]

And what do you suggest we do about their behavior if we're not going to tolerate it? Ban it and imprison those who refuse to recant? Never.

Make our case in the marketplace of ideas and trust the soundness of our arguments will gradually win more and more people over to our view? That's tolerance. Mock their terrible arguments? Still tolerance.

What do you have in mind?

the only think that i liked in Soviet Russia was:
State atheism

Dude the fuck look around what religious people are doing to people who dont aggre with them.

Just listen what Richard Dawkins said:
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins...heism.html

SKIP ON 27.40

[Mister Agenda]

Just listen to what I say: totalitarian douches can fuck off.

Decades of religious suppression in Russia, and it springs back as soon as the pressure is off. Relgion is dropping like a stone in America and Europe, organic social change is doint the job where oppression has failed.

[Mitja]

Just listen to what I say: totalitarian douches can fuck off.

dude you dont have nothing else to say strange.

I think that you dont know how to read as well i said that the only thing i liked about soviet union is that the state was under atheist government.
Im not an big fan of dictators myself but lets dont go to off topic here

[Abracadabra]

if we would all be atheists we would all be friends

That's pretty naive right there.

Clearly John Lennon thought that might be the case too when he wrote Imagine.

I'll be the first to agree that religions can indeed be the source of animosity and ignorance. But to think that religions are the only philosophies that are vulnerable to such stupidity is truly naive.

Just because a person doesn't believe in a God or a spiritual existence doesn't mean that they are automatically going to be a nice person. On the contrary there are a lot of really nasty sick demented people out there who probably don't believe in God or spirituality (i.e. they are atheists too!)

Finally, there actually exist people who do believe in Gods and spirituality and are indeed very nice people who wouldn't harm anyone intentionally.

In fact, you can be very grateful that this is indeed the truth of reality with regard to most religious people.

The truth is that the vast majority of religious people are nice.

And you should be very thankful for that.

In fact, religious beliefs keep some of them nice! There are people who currently believe in religion and restrain their behavior because of their belief. If you force them to stop believing they can actually have a psychological nervous breakdown and become extremely dangerous criminals.

Surely you've heard a religious person say, "If I didn't believe in God there would be no reason to just kill whoever I didn't like and to steal or take advantage of anyone at ever chance.

I mean seriously. You may not realize it, but religious beliefs might actually be keeping far more people from becoming horrifically violent criminals.

That's no reason to support religions, but I'm just saying. Religion does curb some people who could potentially otherwise become quite nasty.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that it probably curbs far more people than it incites into the type of violence that you blame religions for.

I'm all for people believing in "Gods" and Spirituality in a positive way. But in the case of the Abrahamic religoins where the God is portrayed as being a jealous God who hates everyone who doesn't believe in a particular religion is actually a quite negative thing right there.

So I'll be the first to agree that we need to move away from these "Jealous God" religions.

But we shouldn't renounce spiritual beliefs altogether. Trying to force people to become atheists is just as stupid as trying to force them to believe that Jesus supports the ignorance and bigotries associated with the God of Abraham.

[Mitja]

if we would all be atheists we would all be friends

That's pretty naive right there.

Clearly John Lennon thought that might be the case too when he wrote Imagine.

I'll be the first to agree that religions can indeed be the source of animosity and ignorance. But to think that religions are the only philosophies that are vulnerable to such stupidity is truly naive.

Just because a person doesn't believe in a God or a spiritual existence doesn't mean that they are automatically going to be a nice person. On the contrary there are a lot of really nasty sick demented people out there who probably don't believe in God or spirituality (i.e. they are atheists too!)

Finally, there actually exist people who do believe in Gods and spirituality and are indeed very nice people who wouldn't harm anyone intentionally.

In fact, you can be very grateful that this is indeed the truth of reality with regard to most religious people.

The truth is that the vast majority of religious people are nice.

And you should be very thankful for that.

In fact, religious beliefs keep some of them nice! There are people who currently believe in religion and restrain their behavior because of their belief. If you force them to stop believing they can actually have a psychological nervous breakdown and become extremely dangerous criminals.

Surely you've heard a religious person say, "If I didn't believe in God there would be no reason to just kill whoever I didn't like and to steal or take advantage of anyone at ever chance.

I mean seriously. You may not realize it, but religious beliefs might actually be keeping far more people from becoming horrifically violent criminals.

That's no reason to support religions, but I'm just saying. Religion does curb some people who could potentially otherwise become quite nasty.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that it probably curbs far more people than it incites into the type of violence that you blame religions for.

I'm all for people believing in "Gods" and Spirituality in a positive way. But in the case of the Abrahamic religoins where the God is portrayed as being a jealous God who hates everyone who doesn't believe in a particular religion is actually a quite negative thing right there.

So I'll be the first to agree that we need to move away from these "Jealous God" religions.

But we shouldn't renounce spiritual beliefs altogether. Trying to force people to become atheists is just as stupid as trying to force them to believe that Jesus supports the ignorance and bigotries associated with the God of Abraham.

i agree that religion is keeping the stupid people in place by threatening them that they will go to hell. But you are forgetting if you are an criminal you go to jail if you beleave in god or not if you make an crime you will go to jail so this really doesnt meter so much.

second why not force people to be atheist. You think that this isnt right cuz you had good experience with people who are religious but i only had relly bad experience with them.

and if we arent going to use this rools we arent never going to become atheists
USING LOGIC AND REASON ISNT ENOUGH,YOU HAVE TO BE AN DICK TO EVERY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU

[Abracadabra]

second why not force people to be atheist. You think that this isnt right cuz you had good experience with people who are religious but i only had relly bad experience with them.

I'm sorry but what you've stated here is simply unrealistic.

So you're claiming that you have never met a religious person that you haven't had a really bad experience with?

If that truly is the case it's most likely that you're causing it by becoming extremely hostile toward anyone you suspect of being religious.

I think your signature line says it all.

"WARNING: If you arent an atheist you will not be tolerated by this user"

[Faith No More]

USING LOGIC AND REASON ISNT ENOUGH,YOU HAVE TO BE AN DICK TO EVERY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU

From your posts I can gather that you and I do not think the same on this issue so quit being such an ignorant fucking douchebag.

Now what did that accomplish? Nothing, because being a dick to others who think differently will never accomplish anything.