Was Jesus Neanderthal by 1 to 4 per cent?

[Rev. Rye]

Looking at a construction of what Jesus probably actually looked like, perhaps more Cro-magnon than Neanderthal?

He looks more like Tuco from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.



Tuco Ramirez: Brother of Brother Ramirez, and son of God?

[KichigaiNeko]

Looking at a construction of what Jesus probably actually looked like, perhaps more Cro-magnon than Neanderthal?

If nothing else he looks as he should be- Middle Eastern. Certainly nothing like the depictions of western xtianity of an Anglo-Saxon/ Scandinavian/ Teuton

[Whateverist]

.. probably Homo Erectus.

heh, heh, heh, heh

[KichigaiNeko]

Does look rather similar?

[dtango]

It seem to me that the reductionism and dichotomy that western science attempts to push onto everything via its means of classifying things into distinct categories is a superficial means of measurement to begin with. What is probably far more true is that there never was any cut-and-dried line between two very distinct species of hominids, and what is far more likely to have been the case is that the distinction between what we have classified as being "Homo sapiens" and "Neanderthals" is probably far more fuzzy that western scientists would like to believe.

You need to do some reading on the subject.



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Finger tip bone of Neanderthal at left and the corresponding bone of a modern man to the right.



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Thigh bone of a Neanderthal at left and the same bone of a modern heavy weight lifter to the right.

A grown up Neanderthal could lift a modern man above his head and shoot him a few meters away.

[dtango]

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I fundamentally disagree. We have evidence from Homo Erectus skeletons which indicate that individuals with serious fractures survived for the bones to heal. This is indicative of some social unit which tended to the injured man and enabled him to survive.

I see what you mean. Social behavior, however, by a species naturally evolved has nothing to do with forced interbreeding which resulted in a population of hybrids that inhabites the whole planet but southern Africa continent.
We, hybrids, are not the product of the nature. We are the product of a creation; our creator gods being Homo sapiens sapiens.

It is science that teaches this lesson; not mythology.

[Anomalocaris]

What is "pure" homo sapien? Can the homo sapien content of impure homo sapiens be increased by feeding them through a distillery?

And how do you know interbreeding between homo sapien and Neanderthal occurred in the form of conquering homo sapiens raping neanderthal women?

The pure Homo sapiens sapiens left Africa, reached Near East where they interbred with Neanderthals and ceased being pure Homo sapiens sapiens.
Those Homo sapiens sapiens who did not leave Africa remained pure and uncontaminated.

As to how we know the way the interbreeding happened, we have on the one hand science informing us that the gene flow went one way: from Neanderthals to Hss and on the other hand we have every culture and every people on earth insisting that the gods were raping the non-god women.

Both HSS and HNS ( if such was really ever a separate "species") inherited the bulk of their DNA from a remote common ancestor - probably Homo Erectus.

You are missing the point!
Up to approximately 50,000 years ago it was only evolution at play. Both Hss and Neanderthals (Homo sapiens Neanderthalensis) were products of natural evolution while we, moderns, are the product of a forced breeding, a sort of creation we can say. We are hybrids, and as such we wouldn’t be here if it were not for the need Homo sapiens sapiens had to increase quickly their population.

Uncontaminated? How do you know what the linear ancesters of African HS Before encounter with Neanderthals bred with? If hss in africa bred with homo erectus we wouldn't be capable of knowing since we have no erectus genome to enlighten us about what the possible evidence might be. Based on what do you arbitrarily define one particular intermediate state of a continuously Evolving and admixing gene pool to be the " pure" state? There is no such thing as purity in any gene pool, human or otherwise, every gene pool is made solely of changing mixture of contamination and mutations picked along the way, nothing else. To say one particular mixture of contaminations constitutes purity while a slightly different mixture does not, is silliness.

And as to rape fantasy, since when is contemporay myth fantasy a guide to biological reality several tens of thousands of years ago?

[dtango]

Uncontaminated? How do you know what the linear ancesters of African HS bred with?

By approximately 100,000 years BP in Africa and Asia there were only Homo sapiens sapiens. Whoever the Sub-Saharan population bred with, it was by necessity another Homo sapiens sapiens population.
Neanderthals lived only in Europe and the Middle East (the Middle East Neanderthals were not as robust as the European ones).

Based on what do you arbitrarily define one particular intermediate state of a continuously admixing gene pool to the " pure" state?

There was no “continuously admixing gene pool” of Hss and Neanderthals. I repeat that the gene flow went one way only.

There is no such thing as purity in any gene pool, human or otherwise, gene pool is made solely of contamination, nothing else.

There was the Hss gene pool and there was the Neanderthal gene pool. Now the Hss gene pool contains 1 to 4% of the contents of the Neanderthal gene pool which is dead but yet pure and clean with no Hss genes in it.

And as to rape fantasy, since when is contemporay myth fantasy a guide to biological reality several tens of thousands of years ago?

You were taught that myths are fantasies, I was taught that myths are memories. Time will tell whose tutors were the wise ones.