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Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm
(Looks like Bart was trying to make up to the fundies.....)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026
Quote:Ehrman on Jesus: A Failure of Facts and Logic
April 19, 2012 at 9:47 pm Richard Carrier
Having completed and fully annotated Ehrman’s new book Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Harper 2012), I can officially say it is filled with factual errors, logical fallacies, and badly worded arguments. Moreover, it completely fails at its one explicit task: to effectively critique the arguments for Jesus being a mythical person. Lousy with errors and failing even at the one useful thing it could have done, this is not a book I can recommend.
The review is long but worthwhile.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 20, 2012 at 10:55 pm
(April 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (Looks like Bart was trying to make up to the fundies.....)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026
Quote:Ehrman on Jesus: A Failure of Facts and Logic
April 19, 2012 at 9:47 pm Richard Carrier
Having completed and fully annotated Ehrman’s new book Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Harper 2012), I can officially say it is filled with factual errors, logical fallacies, and badly worded arguments. Moreover, it completely fails at its one explicit task: to effectively critique the arguments for Jesus being a mythical person. Lousy with errors and failing even at the one useful thing it could have done, this is not a book I can recommend.
The review is long but worthwhile.
I enjoy some of his books like Forged but on Jesus being historical, it's about time someone put his ass in a sling.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 1:18 am
The HJ crowd is always somewhat hysterical on the subject. I haven't read the book but I had seen Ehrman's previous attempt at defending an HJ concept in Jesus Interrupted and it was far from convincing. When he had to resort to trotting out Josephus I knew he had jumped the shark.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 1:35 am
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(April 21, 2012 at 1:18 am)Minimalist Wrote: The HJ crowd is always somewhat hysterical on the subject. I haven't read the book but I had seen Ehrman's previous attempt at defending an HJ concept in Jesus Interrupted and it was far from convincing. When he had to resort to trotting out Josephus I knew he had jumped the shark.
What to me is almost as bad is that he claims Tacitus is valid extra biblical evidence for Jesus. What I don't understand is why almost nobody recognizes his obvious bias. And why he goes after soft targets like Acharya S (DM Murdock) when trashing mythicists.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 10:52 am
You guys had Bart on a pedestal, how quickly will the master fall when the servants dislike his thought.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 11:01 am
(April 21, 2012 at 10:52 am)Godschild Wrote: You guys had Bart on a pedestal, how quickly will the master fall when the servants dislike his thought.
It's the validity of each thought, not any presumed position of the man, GC. That is the basis of intellectual honesty,which as a Christian you can never have.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 11:14 am
(April 21, 2012 at 10:52 am)Godschild Wrote: You guys had Bart on a pedestal, how quickly will the master fall when the servants dislike his thought.
I dare you to show a post from me anywhere that claims I think Bart Ehrman has any validity on the topic of an historical Jesus. You are a liar but your following your god so it's to be expected.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 11:23 am
(April 21, 2012 at 11:14 am)Phil Wrote: (April 21, 2012 at 10:52 am)Godschild Wrote: You guys had Bart on a pedestal, how quickly will the master fall when the servants dislike his thought.
I dare you to show a post from me anywhere that claims I think Bart Ehrman has any validity on the topic of an historical Jesus. You are a liar but your following your god so it's to be expected.
Actually I hadn't even considered you, could be I have no respect for your comments.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 21, 2012 at 11:46 am
(April 21, 2012 at 11:23 am)Godschild Wrote: (April 21, 2012 at 11:14 am)Phil Wrote: (April 21, 2012 at 10:52 am)Godschild Wrote: You guys had Bart on a pedestal, how quickly will the master fall when the servants dislike his thought.
I dare you to show a post from me anywhere that claims I think Bart Ehrman has any validity on the topic of an historical Jesus. You are a liar but your following your god so it's to be expected.
Actually I hadn't even considered you, could be I have no respect for your comments.
Go fuck yourself godboy.
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RE: Richard Carrier trashes Bart Ehrman's book on the Historical Jesus.
April 22, 2012 at 1:51 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 2:09 am by radorth.)
(April 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (Looks like Bart was trying to make up to the fundies.....)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026
Quote:Ehrman on Jesus: A Failure of Facts and Logic
April 19, 2012 at 9:47 pm Richard Carrier
Having completed and fully annotated Ehrman’s new book Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Harper 2012), I can officially say it is filled with factual errors, logical fallacies, and badly worded arguments. Moreover, it completely fails at its one explicit task: to effectively critique the arguments for Jesus being a mythical person. Lousy with errors and failing even at the one useful thing it could have done, this is not a book I can recommend.
The review is long but worthwhile.
It's interesting they are at loggerheads, but I don't believe much of what either says. Neither of them has any evidence to prove Jesus didn't exist. There isn't anything to argue about, although atheists assume there is.There is no evidence of fraud, although there is evidence of hearsay, e.g not one single early Christian apostate then said a word. Thousands of people who knew it was a fraud must have somehow managed to collude, atheists are forced to believe. All they can do is cast doubt to doubters and sell books. Unless Carrier has changed in the five years since I read him, he doesn't have business critiquing anybody . His own logic is atrocious and he could hardly remember what argument he used yesterday.
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