The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

[Justtristo]

Albert Mohler is the president of the Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville Kentucky. He is a Young Earth Creationist, however he does not deny that the universe appears to be old. However since he believes the universe is less than say 10,000 years old. So Mohler argues that either god created the universe to appear "old" or that the "fall" rapidly aged the universe.

A Christian Fundamentalist friend of mine, who admitted that he leans to a "six day" creation position thought Mohler's argument was appealing.

Essentially this speech he gave to a ministry conference outlines his argument.

Transcript in this link below.

http://biologos.org/resources/albert-moh...ook-so-old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Wi5OYZ7Ks

[Darwinian]

I can't watch it. It would just depress me.

[Justtristo]

I can't watch it. It would just depress me.

Maybe because I am maybe a glutton for intellectual S&M, I am wondering why watching the video I posted would depress you?

Anyway you are missing out a really funny part, where Dr Mohler says something about scientists isolating the dinosaur genome in a lab. I wonder if Dr Mohler did not realize that Jurassic Park was not a documentary.

[NoMoreFaith]

I would guess that it's depressing to see the intellectual contortions creationists make in order to make their world view fit.

Its a case of watching an idiot repeatedly bashing the square into a circle in a wooden match the blocks game, before finally grabbing a hacksaw and cutting a bigger hole to fit their square into.

It's staggering to see someone accept that evidence is irrefutable that the universe appears old, but then continue to keep bashing the square block.

[Gambit]

I watched it. The earth is young, even though it looks old, because the bible says so. That is the sum of his nine minute answer to the question of whether humans lived with dinosaurs. Be right back, I'm going to stick a screwdriver into my brain through my left nostril.

[Cato]

Albert Mohler is the president of the Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville Kentucky. He is a Young Earth Creationist, however he does not deny that the universe appears to be old. However since he believes the universe is less than say 10,000 years old. So Mohler argues that either god created the universe to appear "old" or that the "fall" rapidly aged the universe.

A Christian Fundamentalist friend of mine, who admitted that he leans to a "six day" creation position thought Mohler's argument was appealing.

Essentially this speech he gave to a ministry conference outlines his argument.

Transcript in this link below.

http://biologos.org/resources/albert-moh...ook-so-old

The transcript is a more thorough explanation than the argument given in the video.

Mohler is at least honest when indicating that scientific understanding of the universe contradicts the bible as the inspired and inerrant word of God. For this reason he rejects scientific claims, but at no point does he attack its methodology. He later describes scientific knowledge as changing throughout history and uses this as a reason to reject scientific claims for the unchanging biblical account. Mohler also suggests that science cannot be trusted since it will produce new facts (air quotes given in the video) in the future.

Mohler clearly communicates his understanding of what's at stake in the transcript. He understands that if evolution and our current understanding of cosmology are accepted then the entire basis for the Christian religion falls apart. He contends that natural disasters are a consequence of the fall and could not have happened prior to the original sin. He knows that if there was no historical Adam that there is no need for redemption. This is given as another reason to reject scientific claims.

I'll quote Mohler from the first paragraph of the transcript: "And our absolute confidence is that there is no question Christians need fear." At first I thought this was the same fear associated with the idea of hell as incentive to believe, but later understood this to be that Christians should fear that the entire edifice of the religion comes crashing down once scientific facts are accepted.

Part of the reason I conclude this is that Mohler seems more concerned with the theological consequences of fellow Christians that attempt to reconcile reality with scripture. Mohler suggests that any non-literal understanding of scripture means that it is nothing more than the creation myth of ancient Hebrews.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

ha funny news.

off topic:

The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

First of all:
communism-no religion,people live without religion,so that people are free and they can focus on other people and help them.And pleas dont mix communism with dictatorship. USSR,Cuba,China,Korea this isnt communism. Communism is a stateless society similar like anarchist system.

Fascism-religion was allowed,and dictatorship is the key of fascism,cuz fascist dont believe in democracy.Also fascism points to racism,and other white pride shit.

and lets continue, i must say that lenin was an idiot yes he was. The only true hero of communism (for me) were Marxs, Engels,and Leon Trotsky.
If trotsky would compensation lenin,USSR would be still alive today,and the system would be much much much much happier,and there would also be a chance of democratic socialism.

wow man i went to off topic

sorry

[Justtristo]

ha funny news.

off topic:

The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

First of all:
communism-no religion,people live without religion,so that people are free and they can focus on other people and help them.And pleas dont mix communism with dictatorship. USSR,Cuba,China,Korea this isnt communism. Communism is a stateless society similar like anarchist system.

Fascism-religion was allowed,and dictatorship is the key of fascism,cuz fascist dont believe in democracy.Also fascism points to racism,and other white pride shit.

and lets continue, i must say that lenin was an idiot yes he was. The only true hero of communism (for me) were Marxs, Engels,and Leon Trotsky.
If trotsky would compensation lenin,USSR would be still alive today,and the system would be much much much much happier,and there would also be a chance of democratic socialism.

wow man i went to off topic

sorry

It is actually a quote by Sam Harris he gave as a reply to those who claim atheism has killed many more people than religions have. When Sam Harris was referring to communism, he was referring to the Marxist-Leninist and Maoist regimes.

[Thor]

Albert Mohler is the president of the Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville Kentucky. He is a Young Earth Creationist, however he does not deny that the universe appears to be old. However since he believes the universe is less than say 10,000 years old. So Mohler argues that either god created the universe to appear "old" or that the "fall" rapidly aged the universe.

I love it when fundies are faced with incontrovertible proof that their book is wrong and they just pull crap out of their ass. Can you imagine if science worked this way?

[Anomalocaris]

I'll quote Mohler from the first paragraph of the transcript: "And our absolute confidence is that there is no question Christians need fear."

An amply justified confidence it is. if Christians recognized they did not need fear, they would stop being Christians.

Regarding the video, I am beginning to think there is a very high level of correlation between chubby older white man in suits affecting confidence and inside knowledge, and bullshit.