God is not Great

[Minimalist]

(they started by enslaving blacks

Excuse me but we inherited that from you 'god-fearing' European shits who needed a labor source for your plantations after the native americans were discourteous enough to die from your diseases.

Yes, it took us a while to get rid of it but slavery far predated the establishment of the US.

Is all your history that shaky?

[Lion IRC]

You need an agreed objective morality otherwise the only thing thats going to stop the alpha male gorilla raping which ever female he wants will be another alpha male gorilla - a BIGGER/STRONGER one

That's the fallacy of appeal to consequences. That says nothing about whether or not morality is subjective.

Consequences are not a logical fallacy.

Consequences are EVERYTHING.

[Annik]

He's talking about this:

Description: Concluding that an idea or proposition is true or false because the consequences of it being true or false are desirable or undesirable. The fallacy lies in the fact that the desirability is not related to the truth value of the idea or proposition. This comes in two forms: the positive and negative.

Logical Forms:

X is true because if people did not accept X as being true then there would be negative consequences.



X is false because if people did not accept X as being false, then there would be negative consequences.



X is true because accepting that X is true has positive consequences.



X is false because accepting that X is false has positive consequences.

Example (positive):

If there is objective morality, then good moral behavior will be rewarded after death. I want to be rewarded, therefore morality must be objective.

Example (negative):

If there is no objective morality, then all the bad people will not be punished for their bad behavior after death. I don’t like that, therefore morality must be objective.

Explanation: The fact that one wants to be rewarded, or wants other people to suffer, says nothing to the truth claim of objective morality. These examples are also begging the question that there is life after death.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index...nsequences


EDIT: I'd also like to point out that your diagram is an example of classical condition, which is enforced via association. This makes no sense with your post. I think you were maybe thinking of operant conditioning, which deals with consequence.

[Lion IRC]

No.
I'm saying that, to the animal, consequence is independent of moral considerations. (In atheology, humans are animals)
There is no logical fallacy because there is no connection being asserted.

People are quick to label stuff a logical fallacy without realizing that no argument premise/conclusion is even being offered.
On atheism I am, as a primate, entitled to pursue any consequence I desire albeit in competition with any/all other animals pursuing their consequences and blind evolution doesnt care which of us is right/wrong in terms of morality.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

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On atheism I am, as a primate, entitled to pursue any consequence I desire albeit in competition with any/all other animals pursuing their consequences and blind evolution doesnt care which of us is right/wrong in terms of morality.

Right except for the "entitled" part.

[Lion IRC]

The consequence is the goal!

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

The consequence is the goal!

What?