Does god believe in god?

[fr0d0]

Not respected by me, although accepted as my siblings in christ

That isn't exactly an answer now, is it?

There was no question.

You stayed at the bottom rung, addressing the illogical.

Why do stupid atheists and theists think stupid stuff? How should I know!?

[Baalzebutt]

That isn't exactly an answer now, is it?

There was no question.

You stayed at the bottom rung, addressing the illogical.

Why do stupid atheists and theists think stupid stuff? How should I know!?

Here was the original question:


So, leaving out the lowest common denominator, how can you rationally justify disbelief in evolution while at the same time having enough belief to do things like drive your car or post messages to an electronic board via your computer?

Theists on this board get called out for cherry-picking from the bible all the time. It seems they like to cherry-pick science as well.

"If it supports or benefits me or my belief, it is fact."

And again, not you specifically, but the 60+% of Americans who ignore the truth of evolution.

Wait...let me guess. They are not "true" christians, or they are not interpreting the bible correctly, or they misunderstood the meaning of the bible or....

Oh, I forgot, you are a unique snowflake and only you truly understand god.

[fr0d0]

OK thanks for the insult. That always helps when asking someone something.

So, you want me to explain to you why people mistakenly, on my opinion, think that evolution is unbilical.

Supposed literalist/fundamentalists claim to take the Bible literally. What they in fact do is take the English translation literally, whilst ignoring what the underlying text is actually saying. It is more than clear that the real literal translation doesn't speak of natural events, but of symbolic events which lay the foundation to the Bible and establish God on his throne as the creator and sustainer of this reality. You would expect no less.

You needn't take my word for this. You can go and check it out for yourself. The book you need to read is John H Walton: the lost world of Genesis one. It's written in an open style for anyone to clearly understand. It thoroughly examines every aspect in detail and from every angle. I challenge anyone to fault it's credibility.

Now those people that believe in God and are Christians just like me, can be mistaken in their understanding. That makes them no less a Christian than me, or me a better Christian than them.

Given the clear understanding established above, Christians have no need at all to confront science, as science never challenges what the Bible says in establishing God in his creation.

[Severan]

You are more dense than the core of a black hole...

and you have a weird concept of God

junkyardboy, let me explain this. God believes in himself. God does not believe in a being more powerful than him. A god of something MUST be something more powerful that the thing that is worshipping the god. Therefore, god is an atheist, believing in no gods more powerful than himself. This brings up another interesting topic. I can prove that god is NOT all powerful. If god is all powerful, then he can create a god more powerful than himself, but if he is all powerful, there can be nothing more powerful than himself. Therefore, he cannot create something more powerful than himself, which means he is not all powerful.

[junkyardboy]

and you have a weird concept of God

junkyardboy, let me explain this. God believes in himself. God does not believe in a being more powerful than him. A god of something MUST be something more powerful that the thing that is worshipping the god. Therefore, god is an atheist, believing in no gods more powerful than himself. This brings up another interesting topic. I can prove that god is NOT all powerful. If god is all powerful, then he can create a god more powerful than himself, but if he is all powerful, there can be nothing more powerful than himself. Therefore, he cannot create something more powerful than himself, which means he is not all powerful.

being omnipotent involves self control otherwise the omni is nothing but mindless power
why would He want to?

the Father worships the Son
the Son worships the Father
the family of God is united as one in the Holy Spirit

[Baalzebutt]

junkyardboy, let me explain this. God believes in himself. God does not believe in a being more powerful than him. A god of something MUST be something more powerful that the thing that is worshipping the god. Therefore, god is an atheist, believing in no gods more powerful than himself. This brings up another interesting topic. I can prove that god is NOT all powerful. If god is all powerful, then he can create a god more powerful than himself, but if he is all powerful, there can be nothing more powerful than himself. Therefore, he cannot create something more powerful than himself, which means he is not all powerful.

being omnipotent involves self control otherwise the omni is nothing but mindless power
why would He want to?

the Father worships the Son
the Son worships the Father
the family of God is united as one in the Holy Spirit

The point that Sev is making is that, whether he wants to or not, your god, by his own definition of omnipotent, should be able to make another god more powerful than himself. It is a simple statement and a vert neatly packaged logical proof that god CANNOT be omniscient.

Saying "Why would he?" is avoiding the question.