Nothingness

[Sal]

So will you guys come work for me? I'll pay you something: nothing in fact, which is something, not nothing. No one would work for nothing right? That would be daft.

A confusion between term and semantics if I ever saw one.

Designating a zero amount isn't quite the same as the empty set Ø.

[fr0d0]

Ima gon leave you to the wolves Sal. Brace yourself.

[Mister Agenda]

So will you guys come work for me? I'll pay you something: nothing in fact, which is something, not nothing. No one would work for nothing right? That would be daft.

Well, you could pay me a thousand dollars and I could do work that nets you a thousand dollars and your gain would be nothing.

[Violet]

Well that is my point, it is something. But the majority of people would assume nothing means the lack of anything or not anything. Nothing can't be something. Its counter intuitive.

Nothing is the lack of anything, and it isn't anything. Except nothing. So that's something.

Nothing is everything, and everything is something, therefore nothing is something.

It's not counter-intuitive at all... what would be counter-intuitive is nothing not being something.

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Well, can't it just be the idea of nothing, an item in our subjective experience but not physically extant so far as we can tell?

You're saying there is no nothing, that everything is something, and there's not nothing outside of everything?

That's... a unique perspective. I am inclined to disagree, of course

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So will you guys come work for me? I'll pay you something: nothing in fact, which is something, not nothing. No one would work for nothing right? That would be daft.

Well, I would work for nothing, if I had the whim to do so. Nothing is infact both nothing, and something In some ways nothing is also everything.

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Using an example of working for 'nothing' to relate to a Plausible theory in quantum physics that states nothing is actually something is daft.

Well, quite simply: if nothing isn't nothing, it isn't nothing. Therefore not only is it something, but it's misappropriately named nothing given that it possesses none of the qualities of nothing.

Maybe the guy who writes this theory should explain that 'nothing' isn't infact nothing, so that way we can understand nothing to be nothing, and this something to be non-nothing? Yes, I think that's best.

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A confusion between term and semantics if I ever saw one.

Designating a zero amount isn't quite the same as the empty set Ø.

Zero amount... isn't the same... as an empty set zero...?



Where did you come up with that one? XD That's great, man.

... Wait... you're not actually serious, are you? 0.o

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Well, you could pay me a thousand dollars and I could do work that nets you a thousand dollars and your gain would be nothing.

I'd say you're being overpayed, but damn if you don't speak the truth.

[Gnosis]

It's not counter-intuitive at all... what would be counter-intuitive is nothing not being something.

Something from nothing is very counter intuitive ? It would seem that way to most people. I mean unless you have a basic understanding of anti matter annihilation or are a very logical and level headed individual which im assuming you are your going to be thinking how the fuck can you create something out of nothing.

[Neo-Scholastic]

In SF I'm always confused when the past changes and the future never happened, except it did. How can a timeline cease to exist if its already been part of reality. Maybe I watch too much Doctor Who and Star Trek (& Continuum lately).

[fr0d0]

Well yes, the person going back to make the change no longer can if that future no longer exists with him in it. And if he does exist the reasons for his actions have to be unchanged. :p

[Jackalope]

In SF I'm always confused when the past changes and the future never happened, except it did. How can a timeline cease to exist if its already been part of reality. Maybe I watch too much Doctor Who and Star Trek (& Continuum lately).

A paradox wouldn't be paradoxical if it didn't bend a little grey matter.

[Whateverist]

A paradox wouldn't be paradoxical if it didn't bend a little grey matter.

It's certainly no reason to get ones panties in a knot .. unless you're wearing them on your head.


I keep noticing all the action on this thread and am perplexed at what all the fuss is about nothing. Oh well, no matter.

[Violet]

Something from nothing is very counter intuitive ? It would seem that way to most people.

Why would causation occur where there are no laws by which it is to occur? Most people are just crazy.

I mean unless you have a basic understanding of anti matter annihilation or are a very logical and level headed individual which im assuming you are your going to be thinking how the fuck can you create something out of nothing.

What's anti-matter annihilating itself against matter got to do with anything?

Logical? Of course I'm not logical. Never had enough faith in logic to take the plunge. Been free of logic for forty years... I don't intend to enslave myself within it now.

You never infact create anything... only rearrange that which is already there. We're all organizers!

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Well yes, the person going back to make the change no longer can if that future no longer exists with him in it. And if he does exist the reasons for his actions have to be unchanged. :p

Unless, of course, that isn't how time works.