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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 5:51 am
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(May 18, 2013 at 4:26 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: This is a typical answer from a person his religion is Atheism
You just blindly believe in Atheism, and reject any other "Religion"
You are truely just a robot aren't you, MS? Are you incapable of independent thought, or does everything that you write have to be approved first by your Imam?
Pray tell, what do atheists 'believe' that is integral to them being labeled an atheist? What exactly about atheism makes it a religion?
I can predict your answer quite easily because you've ascribed to a way of thought that leaves little room for thinking outside the very small box you've put yourself in.
The only person you've proven your god to is yourself, and I submit that the only reason that's happened is becuase your standards of acceptable evidence are so low they're next to dinosaur bones.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 8:17 am
Quote:He is outside time, because he created the first event
His actions (after the first event) is just like any events that can be related to other events thus take time.
So you know he is outside of time because he created the first event, or do you mean that because he created the first event this caused him to be outside of time, if he is outside of time then why do his actions take time? If he isn't effected by time because he is outside of time why do his actions take time?
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am
(May 18, 2013 at 5:51 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: (May 18, 2013 at 4:26 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: This is a typical answer from a person his religion is Atheism
You just blindly believe in Atheism, and reject any other "Religion"
You are truely just a robot aren't you, MS? Are you incapable of independent thought, or does everything that you write have to be approved first by your Imam?
Pray tell, what do atheists 'believe' that is integral to them being labeled an atheist? What exactly about atheism makes it a religion?
I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
Most of you are very similar to Christians, basing their beliefs on no evidence.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 8:24 am
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Quote:It is very simple, if you defined/accepted two mutually exclusive definitions;
There is no definition of god which is accepted.
Quote:I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
Most of you are very similar to Christians, basing their beliefs on no evidence.
Actually I base my disbelief on no evidence, that's exactly the point.
Quote:It is not an idea it is the conclusion from the proof
You need to distinguish between what I used as the definition of time and the common word "Time"
I used only part of the common Time; which is related events
As it is proved that events had a start (first event)
So with a single event, there is no simultaneous other events (even within God himself)
So the First event is just single from a single source
(That's why scientist call is Singularity)
So there is an entity existing outside of time and space and the laws of physics, why does the entity have to exist and abide by the laws of physics?
He can create a singularity without taking time so why did creating the universe take time?
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Atheism is not a religion. We all have different ideas, but we require a higher level of proof for existence of a GOD.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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(May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
We aren't really defending our 'no' belief at all. We are, in fact, openly offering any theist the chance to demonstrate the validity of their claims. It is not our fault none of you can substantiate your bullshit, though most of them don't fail as spectacularly as you did.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm
(May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
Most of you are very similar to Christians, basing their beliefs on no evidence.
Have you ever considered the possibility that, just maybe- and I know it's a longshot, try and follow me anyway- your proof isn't the compelling, home run, perfect answer for your god that you think it is?
Have you given any thought to the proposition that you might be- *gasp*- wrong?
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 19, 2013 at 2:12 am
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(May 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
Most of you are very similar to Christians, basing their beliefs on no evidence.
Have you ever considered the possibility that, just maybe- and I know it's a longshot, try and follow me anyway- your proof isn't the compelling, home run, perfect answer for your god that you think it is?
Have you given any thought to the proposition that you might be- *gasp*- wrong? The proof (till now) is not complete 100%, it doesn't prove Allah
but it is enough to prove the first event (Big Bang) and the necessity for a creator and some attributes to that creator
It cannot be refuted because it is very simple and based just on logic
by the way it was presented to some experts in Logic and science and they failed to find a flaw in it.
I had an earlier version of it but it was based on the concept of cyclic time and statistics.
(May 18, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I was pointing that some/many Atheist are defending their "No" belief like a Theist is defending his beliefs
We aren't really defending our 'no' belief at all. We are, in fact, openly offering any theist the chance to demonstrate the validity of their claims. It is not our fault none of you can substantiate your bullshit, though most of them don't fail as spectacularly as you did. Then try to refute my proof!
(May 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm)Dragonetti Wrote: Atheism is not a religion. We all have different ideas, but we require a higher level of proof for existence of a GOD. That is only for an honest Atheist, seeking truth and evidences
but many of you are dishonest and feel comfortable being an Atheist, so they attack any theist that may prove them wrong and take them out of their comfort zone.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 19, 2013 at 4:26 am
(May 19, 2013 at 2:12 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: but many of you are dishonest and feel comfortable being an Atheist, so they attack any theist that may prove them wrong and take them out of their comfort zone.
I think you have that backwards.
I have no deep seated longing to believe there is no god.
God just seems a remarkably silly idea and the evidence seems to back that up.
Theists are the ones that have a lot invested in their beliefs I do not, the only outward display of my atheism is that I come here.
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RE: Proving God Existence
May 19, 2013 at 4:31 am
(May 19, 2013 at 4:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (May 19, 2013 at 2:12 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: but many of you are dishonest and feel comfortable being an Atheist, so they attack any theist that may prove them wrong and take them out of their comfort zone.
I think you have that backwards.
I have no deep seated longing to believe there is no god.
God just seems a remarkably silly idea and the evidence seems to back that up. What evidences?
Quote:Theists are the ones that have a lot invested in their beliefs I do not, the only outward display of my atheism is that I come here.
Why don't you try to refute my proof???
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