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What Are Miracles...
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RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Consilius Wrote: No, it isn't. Actually, most of the time, these people DO die from cancer.
But that people die from cancer is actually further evidence of the work of God in the lives of those who survive cancer. Mercy comes when it is unexpected. If everybody survived cancer, you would be just as impressed as you are when you cross the street NOT getting hit by an airplane.
Obviously, it's more than that. People who die from cancer are much more than casualties used in getting compliments. The thing is that no one lives forever, and God knows when it's time for someone to figure it out for themselves. But the time of a death is part of God's foreknowledge, and is approved by him because it is at the absolute best time possible, for reasons he knows and others discover later in life.
As for the people who dead mothers leave behind, it is a time to make a decision. Tragedy has brought many families closer together. It has also ripped them apart. People become better Christians when parents die. They also become atheists. In tragedy, all you know and believe is put on the line and you are given a choice. Tragedies form great characters from weak ones, and they also break strong ones. And what it does is give you a wake-up call about life and force you to find direction.

Fuck me. You know, I don't even have the proper words to tell you how much people like you piss me off.

You stand around making excuses for your feeble god, you give no credit to people for their accomplishments (least of all, yourself) and ignore or twist anything that doesn't agree with your "perfect bible, perfect god" scenario.

Go read a fucking book and get some education. Figure out what the real world is about. Even if your god did exist, he would be nothing like worship-worthy anyway. He is a petulant child with an overblown ego and a penchant for violence.

For fuck's sake, who really has the issues! God has the right to be praised as he is pure love. He also has the the right to kill off people as he sees fit. The Bible doesn't pretend to be the story of a lovely nicey, nicey, loving Daddy! That myth is put out by churches and not the Bible. You yourself should go and read an educational book instead of trying to disprove 'Santa Clause' or 'the Fairies' I read all fucking sorts, you I suspect read shit like The Hitchhiker's guide and watch endless reruns of some Startrek series. Try Shakespeare for a secular perspective on the human spirit!
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#62
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Non-existent entities don't have any rights.

Fuck your Jehovah/Yahweh/El and the Universe he rode in on.
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#63
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(May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Non-existent entities don't have any rights.

Fuck your Jehovah/Yahweh/El and the Universe he rode in on.

Are all aetheists obsessed with scifi and shitty heavy metal?
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#64
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I have no idea. I'm more obsessed with titties, truth be told.
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#65
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(May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm)phil77 Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Non-existent entities don't have any rights.

Fuck your Jehovah/Yahweh/El and the Universe he rode in on.

Are all aetheists obsessed with scifi and shitty heavy metal?

and barbequing babies.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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#66
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(May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm)phil77 Wrote: You yourself should go and read an educational book
Here, let me help you with that... No, don't get up... just click the link and browse:
The Nobel Prize in Physics
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#67
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(May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm)phil77 Wrote: Are all aetheists obsessed with scifi and shitty heavy metal?

and barbequing babies.

Excellent!!!! With BBQ sauce, mustard or catsup????

(May 31, 2013 at 7:02 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm)phil77 Wrote: You yourself should go and read an educational book
Here, let me help you with that... No, don't get up... just click the link and browse:
The Nobel Prize in Physics

Thank you, but damn your eyes, what is your point Sir? I surmise that you have a faith that believes in that current scientific theory is 'Gospel'
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#68
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(May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm)Consilius Wrote: "…there is an ulimate good that works through nature AND THROUGH THE PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES." Everybody deserves credit for what they do. At the same time, the skill of these people, the morals of these people, and the availability of these people when we need them cannot be attributed solely to themselves.

Yes they can. At most it is to the people around them, as you say (I wouldn't be alive without my parents, or educated without them and a teacher and so on).

But then for you to just infer something beyond that based on nothing more than what you want to be true is just bad form, and really mean. Are you satan?

(May 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Consilius Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 4:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Evidence?
Life.

So, just to clarify, you don't have any evidence.

Thanks.

(May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm)phil77 Wrote: The beginning of the universe is a miracle. Up until the 1950's , mainstream science believed that the universe had always been here.

Pragmatism and adaption.

Your point?
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#69
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(May 31, 2013 at 2:27 pm)ronedee Wrote: I'm sure this has been kicked around here before...

Has anyone had any experiences with Miracles (or as my Atheist friends & relatives call them: spontaneous, unexplained niceties) happening in their lives? Or, if not you, in the lives of people close to you?

This could be anything that seemed extraordinary, unexplained, or a supernatural event. If you can explain it...it's NOT a miracle!

What, if anything do you attribute them to, and why?

I have a few to share...but would like some perspective of how this is gonna proceed first!

Why yes, miracles occur all the time! Just about 10 days ago, many miracles happened in Moore, Oklahoma! When a fierce tornado struck the town, it killed or maimed many people, including a number of children in a school! But, while in one classroom some children had their brains smashed out on the floor, in another classroom, the children were miraculously spared! I bet the Christian parents of the children who were killed feel so blessed that God had a special plan for their son or daughter! Many miracles!

Asinine questions deserve asinine answers.
"If there are gaps they are in our knowledge, not in things themselves." Chapman Cohen

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#70
RE: What Are Miracles...
(May 31, 2013 at 7:20 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm)Consilius Wrote: "…there is an ulimate good that works through nature AND THROUGH THE PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES." Everybody deserves credit for what they do. At the same time, the skill of these people, the morals of these people, and the availability of these people when we need them cannot be attributed solely to themselves.

Yes they can. At most it is to the people around them, as you say (I wouldn't be alive without my parents, or educated without them and a teacher and so on).

But then for you to just infer something beyond that based on nothing more than what you want to be true is just bad form, and really mean. Are you satan?

(May 31, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Consilius Wrote: Life.

So, just to clarify, you don't have any evidence.

Thanks.

(May 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm)phil77 Wrote: The beginning of the universe is a miracle. Up until the 1950's , mainstream science believed that the universe had always been here.

Pragmatism and adaption.

Your point?

Does this regard multiple universes
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