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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm
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(July 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: And science says that it's a human being pineapple Did you read the part where i said in a science text when it says human it means part of the species? I don't dispute that all the DNA is there at conception. It makes no difference to me. Do you know that there's a procedure they do when screening embryos, where they extract a few cells out, and test it for diseases? Do you know that the cells they extracted have all the information and will grow to be a baby if it were implanted and delivered? Do you know that they don't, and they only implant the "original" embryo?
Quote: (July 21, 2013 at 10:34 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: So why am I not cutting history short when i kill an animal? That animal is unique, it will never appear again. What is different between an animal and a human if they're both equally unique?
Because humans don't value the lives of animals. Aaand, why do we not?
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 10:52 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because humans don't value the lives of animals.
I respect animal life more than human life, but that is just me.
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 10:58 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're contradicting yourself.
OK, I'll go slower.
There is a difference between being a life form and having rights as a living being.
The distinction is based on having a brain, which is what allows us to experience reality as a thinking, feeling, self-aware being. The human fetus does not yet have a brain, so it is not a being.
Were it not for that distinction, every time you scratch your nose, you would be committing a genocide of human cells that would rival the atrocities of Hitler and Stalin.
Again, the formula isn't hard to follow.
Brain = being = rights.
No brain = not a being = no rights.
Clear?
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 9:16 pm)wwjs Wrote: When does a fetus become a "person"?
When it develops a brain.
Thought I was clear on this point.
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:10 pm
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That still doesn't address the point that science attests deist paladin. Any cells you might dislodge from your nose are not a potential unique human being. They are a redundant part of an existing human being that need never amount to anything.
A brain might constitute a legal 'person'. But you know that a person is being prevented after conception has occurred and you deliberately terminate it.
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:15 pm
fr0d0, do you mind clarifying your position? Are you ok with abortion if baby has serious handicap that will affect baby's life? are you ok with abortion if rape? or abortion if incest? in other words, do you have exclusions, or is it all no-go?
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:17 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: (July 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: humans don't value the lives of animals. why do we not?
Because we only value human life. We would be acting like human life had no value if we didn't. Life has to propagate itself. It's a survival instinct.
We judge it morally wrong to take life without good reason. Why?
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm
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(July 21, 2013 at 11:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That still doesn't address the point that science attests deist paladin. Yes I did. Brain = a being. No brain = no being. I'm sorry but I can't explain it any slower to you.
Quote:Any cells you might dislodge from your nose are not a potential unique human being.
Yes they are with cloning technology. It would be a twin but we've already discussed how that doesn't make you any less of a being.
Quote:A brain might constitute a legal 'person'. But you know that a person is being prevented after conception has occurred and you deliberately terminate it.
Maybe. Maybe it would be miscarried or a still born. As previously mentioned, "Definitely and right now" trumps "maybe someday".
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 11:15 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: fr0d0, do you mind clarifying your position? Are you ok with abortion if baby has serious handicap that will affect baby's life? are you ok with abortion if rape? or abortion if incest? in other words, do you have exclusions, or is it all no-go?
I'm OK with all justifiable reasons for abortion. There are many grey areas, which are the decision of the parents to make.
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RE: Why I Am Pro-Life
July 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm
(July 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm OK with all justifiable reasons for abortion. There are many grey areas, which are the decision of the parents to make.
Devil's advocate:
Why are you OK with abortion in the case of rape? If you really do believe this is a living being with rights, why are you OK with punishing the "child" for the sins of the father?
/Devil's advocate.
The fact that you would allow abortion in the case of rape indicates to me that your motive is really not about rights to life. It's about sex and the use of abortion as birth control, isn't it? And you think that the law should prevent such choices being exercised when you deem the choices to be "immoral", no?
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