Why atheism is irrational

[Bad Writer]

??? Why I am I seeing Sparty quoting this, but not seeing Vinny's disappointing response itself?

Vinny, if you're going to go there- I'm dumb, I can't read, I'm incurious, I think science is it- then that is too bad. Or you could try being honest about my responses. Or not. /shrug/

For all his superior intellect he has no idea how to fix his quote tags.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

Sorry, these are the kind of things you have to be willing to do some casual independent reading on. Or youtubing, if you can't handle dam letterz.

Look here, if you're wondering if there are any challenges to science being the only source of knowledge: http://atheistforums.org/thread-21091.html The very second post is an astute observation. Natural explanations are not the only explanations out there.

For a start, you could try hanging your hat on being logical. We'll move on from there.

From the guy that came here telling atheists that they're being atheists the wrong way. Yup that's pretty logical. Not at all arrogant or stupid.

So because I'm not spoonfeeding you information you're gonna rage at me?

Doesn't look good on you buddy.

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??? Why I am I seeing Sparty quoting this, but not seeing Vinny's disappointing response itself?

Vinny, if you're going to go there- I'm dumb, I can't read, I'm incurious, I think science is it- then that is too bad. Or you could try being honest about my responses. Or not. /shrug/

100%.

One thing I won't do is spoonfeed people information. But I'm sure you'll feel the same way if you were in my shoes.

If you are looking for serious answers, this is about as much as I can give you. Google or wikipedia can get you up to speed pretty quickly.

-David Chalmers on the Easy & Hard Problems of Consciousness.
-I would also recommend Thomas Nagel's hated "Mind and Cosmos". Failing that, his NY Times editorial summarizing his ideas: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...smos/?_r=0

I won't touch the deity or religion question. All I know is that engaging with the above two is enough to kick you off the science-only diet.

[Bad Writer]

If you see rage in my words, that's giving ever more credence to the idea that you only hear what you want and how you want. If you don't like what I tell you, then try approaching my words without deflection, and perhaps we won't write you off as a troll looking for a pissing contest.

[Captain Colostomy]

The guy is a douche. I'm impressed y'all have the patience to even engage his ass.

Edit to add: and he kudo'd me. Narcissistic troll.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

If you see rage in my words, that's giving ever more credence to the idea that you only hear what you want and how you want. If you don't like what I tell you, then try approaching my words without deflection, and perhaps we won't write you off as a troll looking for a pissing contest.

What are you even saying, bro? You don't get points for taking off your earrings and parroting your internet snark.

If you have any serious questions, I'm more than generous. Just put the whole real housewives of new jersey act back in your purse.

[Cato]

One thing I won't do is spoonfeed people information. But I'm sure you'll feel the same way if you were in my shoes.

Moose-cock!!!

If you had any evidence for your deity you would be shoveling the shit out faster than what a spoon could handle. Yet, you hide behind some bullshit emotive that you can't handle spoonfeeding anyone. No shit! You have nothing to feed me, and certainly no evidence that could fill a spoon.

[pocaracas]

If you are looking for serious answers, this is about as much as I can give you. Google or wikipedia can get you up to speed pretty quickly.

-David Chalmers on the Easy & Hard Problems of Consciousness.
-I would also recommend Thomas Nagel's hated "Mind and Cosmos". Failing that, his NY Times editorial summarizing his ideas: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201...smos/?_r=0

Both these guys are phylosophers.. none of them understand how the biological brain gives rise to awareness, or consciousness.... hence, jump the gun to some sort of non-corporeal consciousness external to the actual brain...

Add time, mix... some more time.... oh damn, the brain has been doing it all, all this time!
Philosophers can't understand that we can't yet understand mega-complex systems.... but maybe one day we will... Even if we don't, so what? It doesn't prove anything. only that it's not proven yet!
Until then, I keep as most likely the fact that consciousness arises in the brain, out of millions and millions of neuron interactions.... too many to count, each too small to measure... yet.
Why do I think this is the most likely case? well, I find nothing, except wishful thinking, suggesting that human or animal consciousness is independent from the physical human or animal brain.
Of course, I don't study neural activity, nor anything of the sort... but it seems those who do also posit this scenario as most likely.
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/106/3/623.short
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/c...1889.short
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/im...1/art00008

So there's my mini-google search and reading skillz for you to read.
Enjoy

[Bad Writer]

If you see rage in my words, that's giving ever more credence to the idea that you only hear what you want and how you want. If you don't like what I tell you, then try approaching my words without deflection, and perhaps we won't write you off as a troll looking for a pissing contest.

What are you even saying, bro? You don't get points for taking off your earrings and parroting your internet snark.

If you have any serious questions, I'm more than generous. Just put the whole real housewives of new jersey act back in your purse.

What constitutes a "serious question" for you, oh intellectual guru? If you don't like comments that don't consist of questions, then you have the option of putting us naysayers on ignore.

[Brian37]

"Atheism" is the noise reasonable people make in the face of naked assertions.

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One thing I won't do is spoonfeed people information. But I'm sure you'll feel the same way if you were in my shoes.

Moose-cock!!!

If you had any evidence for your deity you would be shoveling the shit out faster than what a spoon could handle. Yet, you hide behind some bullshit emotive that you can't handle spoonfeeding anyone. No shit! You have nothing to feed me, and certainly no evidence that could fill a spoon.

Damn, now I have to start another debate thread.

"Moose cock, vs whale cock". I'm going with whale cock because it is bigger.

[Zazzy]

One thing I won't do is spoonfeed people information. But I'm sure you'll feel the same way if you were in my shoes.

Well, I don't feel that way. If I want someone to understand something, I try to explain it to them instead of putting the responsibility on them. I asked you no questions- I simply answered yours. You're the one asking me questions.

If you are looking for serious answers, this is about as much as I can give you. Google or wikipedia can get you up to speed pretty quickly.

Again, I asked you no questions. I commented on your posts. If this information is that important to you to get across to folks, try a little instruction. I'm not particularly interested in the links of some guy on the internet.

I won't touch the deity or religion question. All I know is that engaging with the above two is enough to kick you off the science-only diet.

Nice generalization of my entire life. And I'm careful not to read anything that isn't approved by Richard Dawkins, too. Oh- and nothing not scientific is ever worth my time.