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RE: Pro abortion or not
December 19, 2013 at 3:36 pm
I'm not pro-abortion but I'm also not pro-tell-you-what-to-do-with-your-body. If you don't force me to carry to term, I won't force you to carry to term. Seems fair to me.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
December 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm
(December 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Nora outright told him to kill himself, does that count as an argument?
But, but, but... You are talking to psychotronic, what does he have anything to do with nora?
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RE: Pro abortion or not
December 19, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(December 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (December 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Nora outright told him to kill himself, does that count as an argument?
But, but, but... You are talking to psychotronic, what does he have anything to do with nora? He said that calling people libtards & feministic isn't an argument. Yet he never called out Nora.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
December 19, 2013 at 4:00 pm
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm by Psykhronic.)
Because Nora is actually a member I respect. And she stays here despite people disagreeing with her at times, and she tends to contribute arguments most the time. Her 'kill yourself' post was a meme and was clearly intended for humor. I will almost always excuse humor posts, especially as someone who indulges in those myself.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 1:36 pm
(December 16, 2013 at 11:57 am)MarxRaptor Wrote: I'm personally against abortion, but strongly support a woman's right to chose. I might disagree, but in the end it isn't my place to tell women what they can & cannot do with their bodies.
Pro-lifers are not against abortion because they want to tell a woman what to do with her body. They believe that the fetus is a living human being and therefore deserves protection. The body in question is a separate living organism with it's own DNA, separate from the mother's. The fetus feels stimulus and reacts to it. It's a moral and human rights issue. Does the mother care about her child inside her which she helped create or does she only care about herself and her own needs?
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Quote:Does the mother care about her child inside her which she helped create or does she only care about herself and her own needs?
What fucking business is it of yours?
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 1, 2014 at 1:45 pm by NoraBrimstone.)
A foetus is not a separate living organism until it's removed from the "mother" (who is also a human being and therefore deserves protection). Until that point, it's part of her body, regardless of it's DNA. Whether not to force her to have a child against her will is the moral and human rights issue here.
And no, if I was pregnant and didn't want a baby, I wouldn't care about the foetus and would rather kill it than have my (and as a result, my potential child's) life ruined.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 2:01 pm
(December 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Nora outright told him to kill himself, does that count as an argument?
No, that counts as Nora demonstrating how strongly she feels about what is being discussed. People are rational but also more than that.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 2:06 pm
(January 1, 2014 at 2:01 pm)whateverist Wrote: (December 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Nora outright told him to kill himself, does that count as an argument?
No, that counts as Nora demonstrating how strongly she feels about what is being discussed. People are rational but also more than that.
I find it quite rare too see her acting rationally. Usually she seems to degenerate in too insults and ad hominem attacks very quickly on issues like this.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Pro abortion or not
January 1, 2014 at 2:07 pm
I say if a thing couldn't possibly have any desire to live or not live, then killing it is of no moral problem. Aborting a fetus is little different than aborting a tomato.
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