Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[KUSA]

What is the logical foundation of anthropocentrism? What makes us morally more valuable than other species? What makes animals morally deserving of being caused to exist, to suffer, and to be eaten, when we expect for humans a life of opportunity and liberty?

Morals are subjective. We decide what they are. You obviously decided to put furry critters on the same level as yourself. That's fine with me but I don't intend on doing the same.
My morals say it is alright to eat them. I don't need any "logical reason" to justify it. I don't need a reason to breath air or fart when I want to even if it causes global warming.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

It's a joke to try to morally defend meat eating. Meat eating is no longer required in most places in the world in order for humans to survive. Basically, the only reason to eat meat is for the taste. Eating meat for the taste is on the same moral level as killing animals for fun, which I don't think anyone other than a sociopath would try to defend. Still, people get offended when vegetarians say they made the ethical choice. The morally right choice is not always popular, even when it is abundantly clear. Not many people stood up against the Nazis in Germany.

[KUSA]

There is nothing wrong with eating them for taste. I like the texture of them too. It just feels good in my mouth.

[bennyboy]

What is the logical foundation of anthropocentrism? What makes us morally more valuable than other species? What makes animals morally deserving of being caused to exist, to suffer, and to be eaten, when we expect for humans a life of opportunity and liberty?

Morals are subjective. We decide what they are. You obviously decided to put furry critters on the same level as yourself. That's fine with me but I don't intend on doing the same.
My morals say it is alright to eat them. I don't need any "logical reason" to justify it. I don't need a reason to breath air or fart when I want to even if it causes global warming.

The same also goes for all the morals we do not accept now. Ultimately, ideas about slavery, genocide, child abuse, women's equality, etc. are all subjective. With regard to all those issues, a person in a position of strength has always had recourse to the non-debate statement: "It's better for me, and I just don't care beyond that. Why should I change?"

I agree with you to a certain degree. I'm sure some of the things I do would horrify others, now or in some other day and age. And nobody can be perfectly free from effect without completely sacrificing themselves. However, at least some of the animal suffering is so unnecessary, and so easily avoided, that it seems to me callous not to take the steps to avoid it. If people would reduce consumption to their actual dietary needs, and supplement their animal protein intake with vegetable-sourced ones like beans or yeast, we could reduce the net suffering in the world without depriving people's health, or their ability to sometimes enjoy eating flesh. Instead, America is a nation of out-of-control fatasses, overeating to the point where they find it difficult even to move around freely, and expecting more and more animals to die for their habit. This is sick-- and not only for the animals being eaten.

[Aractus]

I think it's wrong for countries to need to import any food. I believe that every country should aim to be neutral on the importation to exportation ratio of food, or to be net importers.

Gee, you must live in a dream land boy.
Since man is man there has always being an exchange of not only food but of everything else and this trend will go on for ever as some countries are rich in something but poor in something else.

Oops, I meant to say net exporters. And no it's called living within your means, what's next - importing water from foreign countries?

The only way to feed everybody is to drastically reduce the meat consumption but try to tell this to a junkie.

No it isn't.

[KichigaiNeko]

Unfortunately Daniel, we are arguing with 'Muricans.

Have you ever tried one of their recipes? Makes the French diet look low fat, low meat and positively altruistic. So I can understand where these young hippies are coming from.

As for the import and export market, we in Australia can do very well without any import of vegetables, meat, raw materials. Other countries? Not so much. (as far as can understand it) I am still waiting for PETA to take the Islamic countries and Israel to task for the prescribed "cruelty" of Halal and Kosher treatment of their food animals.

Further, did anyone see the article regarding the death of 4,000 sheep bound for Saudi Arabia? Now there is a cute little situation. Saudi Arabia is unable to feed it's population but hey it (via iSlam) has managed to coerce the rest of S-E Asia into supplying what it doesn't have....water to feed crops and livestock.

[là bạn điên]

? I never made jokes about killing vegans. I do not care that you are a vegan. I am just standing up for myself, because you hate the fact that I eat meat. You failed to think things throw and see the reality of things.

I think things through very carefully. I love the taste of meat and I was looking for excuses NOT to give up meat and I couldn't justify it. Its you who refuses to do anything but justify your selfishness.

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Unfortunately Daniel, we are arguing with 'Muricans.

No. I'm British

As for the import and export market, we in Australia can do very well without any import of vegetables, meat, raw materials. Other countries? Not so much. (as far as can understand it) I am still waiting for PETA to take the Islamic countries and Israel to task for the prescribed "cruelty" of Halal and Kosher treatment of their food animals.

So you are 'waiting' but refuse to actually check anything up. I suggest you read this:

http://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-...slaughter/

I have no doubt that will continue posting that Peta doesn't address Halal slaughter even after you read the obvious proof that they do.

Further, did anyone see the article regarding the death of 4,000 sheep bound for Saudi Arabia? Now there is a cute little situation. Saudi Arabia is unable to feed it's population but hey it (via iSlam) has managed to coerce the rest of S-E Asia into supplying what it doesn't have....water to feed crops and livestock.

South east Asia has no shortage of water. Indeed we have too much. Ifr it wants to importa water to feed crops then I see no issue. Obviously I am against doing so to raise animals. Odd use of 'coerce' when presumably you mean 'purchase'

[Aractus]

The Halal method of slaughter isn't cruel and barbaric in my opinion - but hey that's just me. I've seen video of animals slaughtered in this way. Also it's legal in Australia. But hey if you don't like it just don't eat Halal meat, they're all labelled so that we have the choice.

[bennyboy]

Unfortunately Daniel, we are arguing with 'Muricans.

No. I'm British

Canadian here.

[StoryBook]

? I never made jokes about killing vegans. I do not care that you are a vegan. I am just standing up for myself, because you hate the fact that I eat meat. You failed to think things throw and see the reality of things.

I think things through very carefully. I love the taste of meat and I was looking for excuses NOT to give up meat and I couldn't justify it. Its you who refuses to do anything but justify your selfishness.

I like that you are honest about it. The most meat I eat is chicken or turkey. I can not eat a straight vegan diet. I myself can justify it(with lots of reasons),but you don't have to agree with it. Here in the US we have standards . I don't agree with the Halal method, but accept the bolt gun to the head. I have been in slaughterer house,and have watched animals die in person. I find the bolt to the head to less cruel than being strangled to death by sharp teeth.