Why is evolution hiding?

[Silver]

That or just go here:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

But why should I read that satanic hogwash?!!

[Phatt Matt s]

As I've said, I'm not too hostile toward evolution but will argue so as to learn. I will say, that Im passionately oppossed to those who say I KNOW (as if it is certain) why the human race is here and how they got here. It isn't clear.

I think what is happening to you is that you do not know enough about evolution.

I suggest what you do first is this:

1. Go to google and type "define:evolution"
2. See if it is the case that what pops up is all stuff you already know.
2A. If it is all stuff you already know, so far things are good.
2B. If any of it is stuff you did not already know, you now know. So now things are good.
3. Underneath Google's definition of what "evolution" is, click the Wikipedia link that says "Evolution."
4. Read the entire entire Wikipedia page on evolution.
5. Click links to clarify things you don't understand (make sure they open in a new tab if you are using Firefox).
6. If you still have the same questions, continue searching however way you can think of to possibly answer your questions.
7. Quit when it becomes no longer worth it to be doing 6.

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

Also, Jesus is not like other fictional charactars. He is the most influencial person that ever walked the planet and the Bible has always been the best seller and most inflential and life-changing book (not that that makes it true), so I don't just dismiss it as another fairy tale. I see something Divine at work.

[popeyespappy]

Shouldn't we still have half reptile/half mammal?

No. For one thing there was probably never such a thing. Sure there was a halfway point although most people would probably be hard pressed to identify that species as the halfway point even if it was chewing on their genitalia at the time. Halfway would be subjective to even an expert in the field. Instead what we would have seen would be a reptile that slowly evolved mammal like features over multiple generations.

For example if you stood back to back with the chimpanzee at your local zoo. Beside each of you we lined up your mothers, their mothers, their mothers mothers and so on until each line reached all the way back to your last common ancestor. Then if a stranger looked at each individual in both lines starting at you and working their way back to the common ancestor then started back up the other line until they reached the living chimp the chances are they would not be able to identify the point in either line where homo stopped or pan started.

[truthBtold]

I think what is happening to you is that you do not know enough about evolution.

I suggest what you do first is this:

1. Go to google and type "define:evolution"
2. See if it is the case that what pops up is all stuff you already know.
2A. If it is all stuff you already know, so far things are good.
2B. If any of it is stuff you did not already know, you now know. So now things are good.
3. Underneath Google's definition of what "evolution" is, click the Wikipedia link that says "Evolution."
4. Read the entire entire Wikipedia page on evolution.
5. Click links to clarify things you don't understand (make sure they open in a new tab if you are using Firefox).
6. If you still have the same questions, continue searching however way you can think of to possibly answer your questions.
7. Quit when it becomes no longer worth it to be doing 6.

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

Also, Jesus is not like other fictional charactars. He is the most influencial person that ever walked the planet and the Bible has always been the best seller and most inflential and life-changing book (not that that makes it true), so I don't just dismiss it as another fairy tale. I see something Divine at work.

The bible is the most sold .. not most read... and the most influential person in the world is the xx duos beer guy.. DA!!

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

I think what is happening to you is that you do not know enough about evolution.

I suggest what you do first is this:

1. Go to google and type "define:evolution"
2. See if it is the case that what pops up is all stuff you already know.
2A. If it is all stuff you already know, so far things are good.
2B. If any of it is stuff you did not already know, you now know. So now things are good.
3. Underneath Google's definition of what "evolution" is, click the Wikipedia link that says "Evolution."
4. Read the entire entire Wikipedia page on evolution.
5. Click links to clarify things you don't understand (make sure they open in a new tab if you are using Firefox).
6. If you still have the same questions, continue searching however way you can think of to possibly answer your questions.
7. Quit when it becomes no longer worth it to be doing 6.

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

Also, Jesus is not like other fictional charactars. He is the most influencial person that ever walked the planet and the Bible has always been the best seller and most inflential and life-changing book (not that that makes it true), so I don't just dismiss it as another fairy tale. I see something Divine at work.

Okay, nothing you just said makes it the case than what I suggested would be less helpful to you. And I'm pretty sure it COULD be VERY helpful to you.

[downbeatplumb]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? An egg comes from a chicken, yet the chicken comes from an egg. How can there be one without the other?

The egg evolved millions of years before the chicken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRMcQ8C1lAw

[Phatt Matt s]

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

Also, Jesus is not like other fictional charactars. He is the most influencial person that ever walked the planet and the Bible has always been the best seller and most inflential and life-changing book (not that that makes it true), so I don't just dismiss it as another fairy tale. I see something Divine at work.

Okay, nothing you just said makes it the case than what I suggested would be less helpful to you. And I'm pretty sure it COULD be VERY helpful to you.

Last night I googled Evolution and checked out links that were given. It is very difficult to know the credibility of something where every few years new discoveries are being made that cause Scientists who are as credible as others say if X + Y = Z, how do we explain all the evidence suggesting otherwise?

Inevitably, those of us who aren't professional scientists have to take a lot of science on faith and trust. Unfortunately, that also makes it embarrassingly awkward to ask a question that seems, in the light of recent studies and several popular books, to be growing ever more pertinent. What if Darwin's theory of evolution – or, at least, Darwin's theory of evolution as most of us learned it at school and believe we understand it – is, in significant respects, not entirely accurate?

There are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of.
I at this time am skeptic that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

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Also, Science has fucked up many times, said one thing at one time was good for you, and 10 years later says this is terrible for you, take it off the shelves.

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Also, even if I were to become the most militant and fanatical atheist on this forum, I would still get extremely irritated every time someone says something like "Dawkins proved that God doesn't exist". Bullshit!

How strong of an Atheist you are is not measured by the degree of arrogance one displays or the hastiness to blow smoke out the ass.

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Scientists do not know how to explain so many of the theories of evolution because the research leads to results they can't understand.

Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies.

[SteelCurtain]

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

There is a large difference between certainty about something that can be proven, and certainty about something with zero evidence.

Creationism and Evolution are not two equal ideas on level ground, and we just happen to choose one. Not even close. One is intentional ignorance of facts, intentional lying, misinformation, and taking advantage of ignorance. One is selective acceptance of evidence and rejection of anything that doesn't fit a preconceived worldview. The other is one of the most robust scientific theories man has ever formulated; with incredible explanatory power, the ability to predict future phenomena, and not without mention, the basis for modern biology, genealogy, medicine, etc.

So the reason people get so heated is that this willful ignorance has consequences. Teaching children that "God did it" and that we have all the answers kills the drive to question and discover.

[Rampant.A.I.]

I at this time am skeptic that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

Where the hell are you getting this shit? This is why I provided you a link to a Berkeley.edu website, since it seems you're reading bizarre misinterpretations of evolution, such as the above and

Shouldn't we still have half reptile/half mammal?

If you're actually interested to know what evolution states, stop reading creationist websites and looking for Crocoduck.

"Frogs from fish" is on the same level as "when a chimpanzee at the zoo gives birth to a human baby, I'll believe in evolution"

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehi...ibians.htm

[Phatt Matt s]

Yes but I wanted discussion. And people here may provide better links than a search engine. Also, like I said, I strongly dislike the bigotry and arrogance of certain people who state their theory on evolution, and the purpose for human, as if they know with certainty that what they say is true.

I also don't like it when Christians or people of any Religion have this same attitude about their beliefs.

There is a large difference between certainty about something that can be proven, and certainty about something with zero evidence.

Creationism and Evolution are not two equal ideas on level ground, and we just happen to choose one. Not even close. One is intentional ignorance of facts, intentional lying, misinformation, and taking advantage of ignorance. One is selective acceptance of evidence and rejection of anything that doesn't fit a preconceived worldview. The other is one of the most robust scientific theories man has ever formulated; with incredible explanatory power, the ability to predict future phenomena, and not without mention, the basis for modern biology, genealogy, medicine, etc.

So the reason people get so heated is that this willful ignorance has consequences. Teaching children that "God did it" and that we have all the answers kills the drive to question and discover.

I argue that there has been much evidence. One example is the image on the Guadalupe tilma. It was always believed to be a miraculous image, it lead to the conversion of the Aztecs, and with are scientific technology we can determine if an image was painted or if fibers were dyed and what they have been dyed with.

Scientists do not know of any artwork that has or even could by natural phenomenon be produced in a manner so baffling and mysterious, nor do they understand why a tilma made of cactus fibers isn't decomposing after hundreds of years.

There are thousands of miracles that Scientists and Doctors of no Religious persuasion have given credence to.

I agree SC Religion can be very bad for people so that they do not explore, discover, or keep an open mind.

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A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours.  There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria).

 They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.  there is much variation in bacteria.  There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones16).  but they never turn into anything new.  They always remain bacteria.  

Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

This isn't to say we don't have a common ancestor but it is a reason I don't have blind faith, in certain theories of Evolution.

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To make any lasting change, a beneficial mutation would have to spread ("sweep") through a population and stay (become "fixed")...strongly beneficial mutation increases in frequency to fixation in the population. To make a lasting change, beneficial mutation would have to spread ("sweep") through a population and stay (become "fixed")...New, strongly beneficial mutation increases in frequency to fixation in the population."

 Some evolutionist researchers went looking for classic sweeps in humans, and reported their findings in the journal Science.  "To evaluate the importance of classic sweeps in shaping human diversity, we analyzed resequencing data for 179 human genomes from four populations".  "In humans, the effects of sweeps are expected to persist for approximately 10,000 generations or about 250,000 years."  Evolutionists had identified "more than 2000 genes as potential targets of positive selection in the human genome", and they expected that "diversity patterns in about 10% of the human genome have been affected by linkage to recent sweeps."  So what did they find?  "In contrast to expectation, their test detected nothing...
Hernandez, Ryan D., Joanna L. Kelley, Eyal Elyashiv, S. Cord Melton, Adam Auton, Gilean McVean, 1000 Genomes Project, Guy Sella, Molly Przeworski. 18 February 2011. Classic Selective Sweeps Were Rare in Recent Human Evolution. Science, Vol. 331, no. 6019, pp. 920-924.

Yet some of these links and books on evolution will leave out all such scientific discoveries that will not propogate their agenda, which is why I don’t swallow a lot of what I read, but consider that it is worthy of belief and intelligently thought out.