I am God

[Bibliofagus]

He actually answered this in his other retarded thread:
He can't. Allah is not god. It's just some thing/person that created everything, watches our every move to figure out if he/she/it is going to send us to hell over not following the rules he/she/it sent us in the koran.

Muslim Atheists god is a - special - god, and therefore should not be called 'god' but allah.

It is possible to be a secular Jew or secular Christian, people who like the traditions and or pretty motifs in a book and still not buy the head character in that particular book. So it should not be impossible for a "Muslim" to be the same. However the way this nut argues I really don't think he is an atheist at all. I simply think he wants to re define Islam to suit his own desires.

True.

If there is no life after death, fine. . I got nothing to lose. I die and everything is over. However, if the Quran is telling the truth. . then I'll be saved and those who disobey the rules in the Quran will abide in Hell forever.

[Muslim Atheism]

Muslim Atheist, I suspect some word play on your part. You say you reject God. But you seem to differentiate between God and Allah. Do you reject Allah? Do you disbelieve in Allah? Can you state "There is no Allah?"

There is no Allah. It is just an idea and none is equivalent.

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It is possible to be a secular Jew or secular Christian, people who like the traditions and or pretty motifs in a book and still not buy the head character in that particular book. So it should not be impossible for a "Muslim" to be the same. However the way this nut argues I really don't think he is an atheist at all. I simply think he wants to re define Islam to suit his own desires.

Same argument I get from pantheists "I am not like the others", um yes you are. Woo and superstition are still the same no matter what you call them.

Just asking, could it be possible that you don't understand what Atheism is all about ?

[vodkafan]

There is no Allah. It is just an idea and none is equivalent.

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Just asking, could it be possible that you don't understand what Atheism is all about ?

Thanks for that MA.
To me, atheism is a simple disbelief in any diety, and no personal need to carry out any rules or rituals associated with any particular religion.

[Muslim Atheism]

There is the "law of cause and effect"

God or Deity is the "effect"
The "cause" is human desires. . .

Therefore, I believe . . .

:: God = Human desires . . .
:: No God = No desires (ie. inconsistent with nature)

[vodkafan]

There is the "law of cause and effect"

God or Deity is the "effect"
The "cause" is human desires. . .

Therefore, I believe . . .

:: God or Deity = Human desires . . .
:: No God or Deity = No desires (ie. inconsistent with nature)

If they are equivalent therefore it makes more sense to me the other way:
Human desires = Diety (meaning we create our Gods to fill a human need)

But the second part- I am struggling to understand what you are meaning. If there was no Diety we would lose all human desires?

[Muslim Atheism]

If they are equivalent therefore it makes more sense to me the other way:
Human desires = Diety (meaning we create our Gods to fill a human need)

Of course, God who think and act like a man.

But the second part- I am struggling to understand what you are meaning. If there was no Diety we would lose all human desires?

I believe we must have desires, but it must be consistent with "nature". . . no good or evil, but balance and become "1".

[Ksa]

But the second part- I am struggling to understand what you are meaning. If there was no Diety we would lose all human desires?

Not we, HIM. Because his dopaminergic reward is only wired around licking God's ass with a flat shovel-like tongue. Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!

Goes like: Aalllahlalalala!!! <Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!> Bisminlah Rahman Rahim <Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!> Alhamdulellah rubby alameen <Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!> Rubbish ali sadri <Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!> Allah wahbar <Shhhllleeaaappp!!!!!>

All fucking day. You can make a tune with that thing also!

[Muslim Atheism]

I quite agree, and maybe others may comment on this . . .

The Dogma of Atheism
A reading from The Aletheon,
by Avatar Adi Da Samraj

Atheism is the ultimate form of denial of the Parental "God". Atheism is not founded on real observation of the ultimate facts of the universe. Rather, it is a kind of adolescent development of the human species.

What characterizes the doctrine (or dogma) of atheism is not a discovery that there is no "God", but a refusal to acknowledge every kind of parent (or parent-like authority), including (therefore) the Parental "God" of childish "religion".

— from "The Parental Deity and The One To Be Realized"

Atheism (or the conception that no "Creator-God" — or any other Greater Reality — exists) has always opposed theism (or "God-religion"). Nevertheless, atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic (or conventional "religious") ideas.

Atheism is the product of the ego (or the phenomenal "self", grounded in elemental perception), and so also is theism. Atheism, like exoteric "God-religion", extends itself only into the domain of the first three stages of life — whereas esoteric "God-religion" provides a means for entering, mystically and Spiritually, into the developmental processes of the fourth stage of life and the fifth stage of life.

Atheism regularly proposes a "logic" of life that has its own dogmatic features. It does not propose a "God"-idea but, instead, founds itself on and in the perceptual and phenomenal mind alone.

Atheism concedes only a universal and ultimately indifferent (or merely lawful) cosmic Nature (not a "God") — and, so, there is no need to create a "religious creation-myth" to account for suffering. (And atheistic thinkers thus generally confine themselves to constructing a cosmology, based on material observations alone, that merely accounts for the apparent workings of the conditionally manifested events of cosmic Nature.)

Indeed, just as conventional "God-religion" (or conventional theism) arises to account for suffering, atheism arises on the basis of the unreserved acknowledgment of suffering. And, if there is no idea of "God", there is no idea of the human being as "creature" (or, in other words, the human being as the bearer of an immortal, or "God-like", "inner" part). Nor is there any need to interpret unfortunate or painful events as the "effects" of "Evil".

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

The realistic (or atheistic) view is just as much the bearer of a myth (or a merely conceptual interpretation of the "world") as is the conventional "religious" (or theistic) view. Atheism (or conventional realism) is a state of mind which is based in the phenomenal "self" and which seeks the ultimate protection, nourishment, pleasure, and preservation of the phenomenal "self" (at least in this "world" and, if there should be an after-life, then also in any other "world").

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.

[Whateverist]

Yeah, yeah .. we're all god. Whatever.

(Haven't read any posts yet. Now to see if my intuition was as full of shit as usual.)

[Losty]

I can't, because I am God (1). . . and because the premise says it must be "no god", ie. 1 + 0

1 + 1 = no power. . . no reality.

Fuck you just keep getting worse. What are you even trying to say??

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Just asking, could it be possible that you don't understand what Atheism is all about ?

To quote my good friend Tarteh:
Lolwut?

I don't think atheism is about anything...