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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:45 pm
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Okay so there seems to be a difference between Muslim Atheist and Islamic Atheist, so this is a question for Muslim Atheist:
Who is the name Allah referring to?
Okay, I just read your book, and I think I see what you are saying, especially chapter al-Ikhlas.
So I think you are saying there is no God but really mean there is "a God". You just replace "a God" with the word "Allah".
Now to Islamic Atheist, what is your view of what or who Allah is referring to?
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:55 pm
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(July 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm)logicalreason Wrote: How many Muslim Atheists do you know?
I met few. . but without the label of "Atheism".
(July 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm)logicalreason Wrote: When you say Allah is not a God, and say that Allah is something else, what is Allah?
Allah says, "no one knows" (3.7) . . . and there is no requirement to believe in Allah in order to be a Muslim. Muslim is about "obedience" and which does not include the "belief" of the allegorical, including Allah. . and the Believer is about "faith".. . . two different issues.
(July 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm)logicalreason Wrote: Who is the One denoted by the name Allah?
Allah is an idea, and an idea is an illusion. . because it depends on our sensory perception, the egoic consciousness. . .ie. self. Allah without the idea of "Allah" means something else.
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:57 pm
Muslim Atheist. I see what you are saying, but you are basically saying that a God exists, you just use a different name and say that it is beyond our understanding. I feel this is still "God".
What is Rabb Allah's view?
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:03 am
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(July 9, 2014 at 11:45 pm)logicalreason Wrote: So I think you are saying there is no God but really mean there is "a God". You just replace "a God" with the word "Allah".
Nope. . I mean there is no god at all. Replace the word God with Allah will defeat the premise of "No God", ie. there is a God, and it is Allah.
God is used in the Quran because no one can understand "Allah" on its own. It is human terms and for human basic understanding, but with an "interpretation provision" in the Quran. .al-Ikhlas. . . Oneness and Absolute, no center, no interior, no exterior. "none is equal", matter, idea or concept. . .
Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (112.4)
(July 9, 2014 at 11:57 pm)logicalreason Wrote: Muslim Atheist. I see what you are saying, but you are basically saying that a God exists, you just use a different name and say that it is beyond our understanding. I feel this is still "God".
What is Rabb Allah's view?
God is "I" . . .and there is no "I".
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:10 am
Okay so let me ask this another way.
Did Allah create the universe?
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:13 am
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(July 10, 2014 at 12:10 am)logicalreason Wrote: Okay so let me ask this another way.
Did Allah create the universe?
Allah says "Kun" (كن), as translated (ie. the Quran) by the last Messenger from the "revelations", that no one knows its true nature. . .
Is that creates as per our understanding ?
and what is (كن) ?
Is Adam created from the (كن), or it is merely new "discovery" from existing matter (ie.clay) ?
(not something out of nothing, and merely dependant origination. . but Allah claims otherwise)
How many times Allah says (كن) ?
Is it some form of sounds or something else ? If it is, how does it sound ?
Can the (كن) stopped ?
What happens if the (كن) stops ?
The (كن) cannot be Allah, therefore is the (كن) a creation?
See ? the word "creates" itself means something else (fallacy) . . . ie. from the context of human ideas and imaginations. off.
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:31 am
(July 9, 2014 at 11:57 pm)logicalreason Wrote: Muslim Atheist. I see what you are saying, but you are basically saying that a God exists, you just use a different name and say that it is beyond our understanding. I feel this is still "God".
What is Rabb Allah's view?
Gonna call me out bro? 
Allah in Arabic is literally a meshing of al and ilah in a very unique way. Al-ilah implies that a deity is male while al-Ilaha implies a female deity. Allah on the other hand signifies the importance of oneness by compounding the "al" part which implies uniqueness into a genderless deity "lah". No English word or language has a concept for a genderless deity besides Sanskrit. Allah solely implies a genderless god. Yes indeed Allah does not bear certain connotations that the word god has but it is still a deity to be specific.
Allah is not even possible of being an I. Brahman sure is but Allah nowhere in the Qur'an is an auto-theistic concept unless you are like me and don't give 2 shits about the Qur'an
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:38 am
Very nice. What is the Quranic proof or ayat that shows that Allah is not capable of being I? I am not disputing it just want evidence of it. Muslim Atheist seems to be saying same thing that I does not exist.
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 12:40 am
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(July 10, 2014 at 12:38 am)logicalreason Wrote: What is the Quranic proof or ayat that shows that Allah is not capable of being I?
Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (112.4)
Matter, idea and concept etc . . .if it is "equal", then it is not Allah. This is the main premise.
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RE: I am God
July 10, 2014 at 1:16 am
(July 10, 2014 at 12:38 am)logicalreason Wrote: Very nice. What is the Quranic proof or ayat that shows that Allah is not capable of being I? I am not disputing it just want evidence of it. Muslim Atheist seems to be saying same thing that I does not exist.
There is no proof that Allah is not an auto-theistic deity although I can do this.
al-Baqara 186: "And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright."
No where in that statement is Allah depicted auto-theistic. He is clearly a separate being. How on earth would a Muslim be able to say the Shahadah as it is: "la ilaha il allah Muhammadin rasulu ilah". Muhammad is the rasul and nabi of Allah. No where does it state that Muhammad is Allah.
The last sect that mistook a person for god was Dhammiyyah and they asserted that Ali was god. Of course they were wiped out
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