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I am God
RE: I am God
You are god, you are nothing, So Allah is one?

Is this it?
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RE: I am God
(July 10, 2014 at 10:33 pm)logicalreason Wrote: You are god, you are nothing,

When people are "I am GOD" (1), it means they are nothing.
Their sensory perception are equal to deaf, dumb and blind. . .

So have they not traveled through the earth and
have hearts by which to reason
and ears by which to hear?
For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded
but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts.

22.46

and they need to purify themselves to gain true sensory perception
some may call it enlightenment or etc. . . it doesn't matter.
What matter is the traits is about not dependant on "egoic consciousness" (self, and being out of self). . .
ie. the philosophical basis of conventional religion and even atheism itself, no difference.

. . .

(July 10, 2014 at 10:33 pm)logicalreason Wrote: So Allah is one?

Is this it?

The basis of any argument is not about Allah, because the main premise is "none is equal" to Allah, matter, idea and concept etc.
Therefore it is about human beings and their "sensory perception", their levels.
Current level of "sensory perception" cannot prove one own existence
because they live as "I am God" (1, Primary God, the "cause", not "effect"), whereas the formula is "No God" (0) . . .

Secondly and according to the Quran, people can absolutely ignore about Allah and based their discussion on provable premises through self discovery. . and there is only two premises. . .

Premise 1. No God (0)
Premise 2. Allah (1) (cannot be proven through direct evidence and ignored)
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Missing Premise: I cannot prove my own existence. (1)
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Therefore: I am God. (1)
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Thus, their sensory perception are equal to deaf, dumb and blind. . . ie. the heart.
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RE: I am God
Yes I see. I just can't see the last sentence I am God.

Also seems like Allah = atheism?
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RE: I am God
Because we are brainwashed to believe God exists. . .

Not Allah, none knows and Allah don't need system of life or religion, human beings do. . . .
Therefore, it is Islam that is about being a True Atheism (No Shirk = No God, including self as the "Primary God", the "cause")
and so as Buddhism, Hinduism and other old religions etc. .
They find the truth through self discovery, being separate from themselves (have their own and real products). . .not based on the illusion of their sensory perception. . .
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RE: I am God
Yes this seems close to what I was on about in my blog nontheistbahai.wordpress.com

What is your view of meta-theism (beyond-theism) as a word. How is it different from atheism in your view (see only etymology of meta=beyond).

Also think about deity vs meta-deity.
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RE: I am God
It is close. . and I believe Bahai teaches the main theme of existence, the unity in diversity through self discovery, ie. through service etc.
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RE: I am God
And religion vs meta-religion

Baha'u'llah's "Seven Valleys" is similar to "Conference of the Birds (and simurgh)" by Farid-ud Din Attar written in year 1177 AD in Iran which is all about self-discovery, a Sufi Muslim mystical text.
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RE: I am God
It is just systems of life, and in any systems of life there are the yin and yang. . . east and west.
only two elements , and which must co-exist through wisdom.

to Him have Islam (أَسْلَمَ) those within the heavens and earth (all)
willingly or by compulsion
3.83

Therefore, there is no good, there is no evil. . there is only "balance" (wisdom), ie. unity.
and the pre-condition of "balance" requires sensory perception, No God . . .the north pole and south pole.
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RE: I am God
What is your view of Quran 2:210 هل ينظرون إلا أن يأتيهم الله في ظلل من الغمام والملائكة
"Do they await but that Allah should come to them in covers of clouds and the angels"

Also what is your view of life after death mentioned in Quran?

Finally, a separate question is what is your view of anthropomorphic features of Allah mentioned in Quran: hands, feet, fingers, eyes, shin, and capability to sit on a chair/throne?
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RE: I am God
(July 11, 2014 at 12:24 am)logicalreason Wrote: What is your view of Quran 2:210 هل ينظرون إلا أن يأتيهم الله في ظلل من الغمام والملائكة
"Do they await but that Allah should come to them in covers of clouds and the angels"

I don't know what is Allah. . .


(July 11, 2014 at 12:24 am)logicalreason Wrote: Also what is your view of life after death mentioned in Quran?

According to the Quran, the right and left groups will live, eat and died. .
Then they will sleep until everything is over. .
until the heaven and the earth (planets and the whole universe) becomes one again

They will say, "O woe to us! Who has raised us up from our sleeping place?"
[The reply will be], "This is what the Most Merciful had promised, and the messengers told the truth."

36.52

The forerunners, they are not dead, but they live forever. . . and receiving provisions. . .
but no one knows how they are alive. . . and receiving provision.

And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead
Rather, they are alive with their Lord
receiving provision

3.169

And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger (= the Quran)
those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets
the steadfast affirmers of truth
the martyrs
and the righteous
And excellent are those as companions.

4.69
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