The redneck strike again.

[Confused Ape]

You take a ball.
You freeze two end or extremeness of this ball like the south and north pole and then put the ball inclined or oblique.
After a while when the ice at the two extremities melt you will find that the ball change position.
This is what is called pole shift.
Considering that the ice at the two poles is melting it come obvious to think that we are bound have a pole shift.

What sort of ball is used in this experiment? How can two extremities of this ball be frozen without freezing the entire ball? Full instructions, please.

It just remind me all the Indian guys that in the last 10-15 years came to Australia.
Many of them drive taxis.
If you go in India you will find the drivers absolutely reckless.
They have total disregard for everybody else.
When they come here and start driving taxis or their own car they respect the road rules and you want find any differences between them and Australian drivers.
This come because the consciousness in this particular field is such and such so these guys will adjust their way of doing things according to the main way of life here.

Italians worst Europeans behind the wheel

British holiday makers believe Italians to be the worst drivers in Europe, according to a survey commissioned by leading car hire comparison site carhiremarket.com. With 34% of the votes for worst Europeans behind the wheel, the Italians topped the table, followed by the French (20%) and the Spanish (8%).

I then looked at Australia and this country seems to have its fair share of reckless drivers, too. I'm guessing that Indian taxi drivers in Australia obey the traffic laws because they want to keep their jobs. People who go to Italy to be taxi drivers would probably end up driving like the Italians.

When the situation get tough you will find people who never believe in anything that try to stay afloat and to stay afloat require someone help.
But who will help if you believe in nothing?
Good question.
So the only way is to believe in yourself.

I use Jungian psychology which doesn't require me to accept anything without proof.

At this stage the consciousness has to work hard as has been repressed for long long time.
Eventually as the consciousness get free from bondages she will offer solutions.
Spirituality is just the next step to free the bondages.

If I get an important dream or vision such as Apollo or the Earth as a goddess I ask myself what my unconscious is telling me. I then do my best to interpret the symbolic meaning.

The Egyptians had temples to Isis. All the deities that humans have worshipped had temples or sacred sties. Does that mean they all existed?

No, it doesn't but at the same time it does not exclude that they may have existed.

It's possible that some outstanding people were remembered in folklore and then regarded as deities. This still isn't proof of anything, though.

As far as our digestive system can cope with meat or any other item we may be called omnivore.

We evolved to eat insects and meat from wild animals. That makes us omnivores like chimpanzees and bonobos which share a common ancestor with us.

It would be interesting if you could talk to an artery which is choked with saturated fat and hear what she would tell you.

It's our modern diet that's the problem. We haven't adapted very well to factory farmed meat (which is different to wild animal meat) and processed foods etc. It now makes sense to be a vegetarian or cut back on the amount of factory farmed meat we eat. A vegetarian won't be very healthy, though, if they consume too much salt and sugar.

[bennyboy]

In theory you got a good point.
In reality your point is meaningless.
If this website would be attended by people that know what they are talking about then i would have to agree with you but when you find people that post in the philosophy or religious forums without having a clue about the meaning of these things then everything at times become a big joke and when you are dealing with jokes everybody tend to forget the good manners.
If i would have to complain about the bad jokes that people in this forum make about me i should complain every single day but i don't so i don't expect that people complain about me.

Until you invest in a mirror, you will always get the same response, on any site where people have an education, or an interest in science, or a lack of belief in unprovable spiritual or religious ideas.

You've had some good ideas, but they are too mixed-up with random ideas that you clearly just thought of, without being able to test them, or caring whether they are even testable.

That works fine for self-study. I have lots of spiritual or superstitious ideas. But when I think about mentioning them, I stop and ask, "Why should anybody listen to me?" The answer is-- if I'm trying to change someone's thinking, I need compelling logical reasons for them to spend the mental effort to change their thinking. Just liking my own answer isn't a good enough reason to make other people listen to it. You wouldn't listen to someone telling you that God is a Pink Unicorn-- no matter how sure that person believed that, or how strongly they insulted you for refusing to accept their belief.

Many of your posts and links are corrupted because they are too obviously connected to an unprofessional bias. For example, you link to spiritualist websites to argue vegetarian morality, when your "audience" needs something more solid-- strong philosophical arguments, or better yet, actual scientific results (and not "interpreted" by biased sources, actual links or descriptions of the science).

Many people have asked you to present your arguments in a way that is meaningful to non-Riketto humans, but you generally have not done this. The result is that you are mocked.

If you want to argue, and say "Everyone else does it too," or think you are free to say whatever you like, that's fine-- you are free to do so. But nothing will ever change-- nobody will listen to the many GOOD arguments you make, because you've made too many weak ones. It's too bad for me-- as an agnostic, I'm fairly "spiritual," and I'm strongly vegetarian. If you listened better to what people have said, you could have been a strong ally. Instead, I have to try hard not to let people think all vegetarians are as illogical as they think you are.

[Little Rik]

What sort of ball is used in this experiment? How can two extremities of this ball be frozen without freezing the entire ball? Full instructions, please.

I thought that you heard about a planet called EARTH.
It is in the solar system and is where Riketto live.
It happen that it is frozen at the two extremities only with some peaks as well but mainly at the two extremities.
Don't ask me why it is frozen only at the extremities.
I am not a physical scientist but that is the way it is.

Italians worst Europeans behind the wheel

I believe you but what this has got to do with the point that i was making?
Let me remind you.
I took the example of changing way of doing things as you get into a different culture and this related to a possible pole shift in which people get worry for their own existence.
At this stage it will be very hard to keep on believing in nothing.
And this may well be the time in which people may change for the better.

I use Jungian psychology which doesn't require me to accept anything without proof.

It is up to you to turn an hypothesis into reality.
Everything in this life require effort.
You dream to have your own house.
You can't have it until you work hard for years and years.
You dream to have a perfect lover.
You must build up yourself in many ways so a good match can get into your life.
You want to know whether God exist or not.
Again you got to have desire for it and then build up a relationship with that entity.
You want proofs of God first?
You can't have them as you could have them in a physical-material situation as God is not physical-material.
As you can see it is not easy whether you want this or that in your life.

If I get an important dream or vision such as Apollo or the Earth as a goddess I ask myself what my unconscious is telling me. I then do my best to interpret the symbolic meaning.

I doubt that God will ever let you know that he exist unless you get interest in this matter.
Would you care to let know that you care about someone that doesn't care about you?

It's possible that some outstanding people were remembered in folklore and then regarded as deities. This still isn't proof of anything, though.

Again, it does not exclude the opposite.

We evolved to eat insects and meat from wild animals. That makes us omnivores like chimpanzees and bonobos which share a common ancestor with us.

1) Freedom is also part of human evolution and freedom allow man to do so many things.
It allow us to steal to kill and to pick the nose so your belief is totally wrong.
2) If we could do what primates do we could deal with saturated fat, cholesterol and toxin but we can't so you are wrong once again.

It's our modern diet that's the problem. We haven't adapted very well to factory farmed meat (which is different to wild animal meat) and processed foods etc. It now makes sense to be a vegetarian or cut back on the amount of factory farmed meat we eat. A vegetarian won't be very healthy, though, if they consume too much salt and sugar.

Salt and sugar wasn't good even then not just now.
Farm meat is worse that wild meat but both are bad as well.

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In theory you got a good point.
In reality your point is meaningless.
If this website would be attended by people that know what they are talking about then i would have to agree with you but when you find people that post in the philosophy or religious forums without having a clue about the meaning of these things then everything at times become a big joke and when you are dealing with jokes everybody tend to forget the good manners.
If i would have to complain about the bad jokes that people in this forum make about me i should complain every single day but i don't so i don't expect that people complain about me.

Until you invest in a mirror, you will always get the same response, on any site where people have an education, or an interest in science, or a lack of belief in unprovable spiritual or religious ideas.

You've had some good ideas, but they are too mixed-up with random ideas that you clearly just thought of, without being able to test them, or caring whether they are even testable.

That works fine for self-study. I have lots of spiritual or superstitious ideas. But when I think about mentioning them, I stop and ask, "Why should anybody listen to me?" The answer is-- if I'm trying to change someone's thinking, I need compelling logical reasons for them to spend the mental effort to change their thinking. Just liking my own answer isn't a good enough reason to make other people listen to it. You wouldn't listen to someone telling you that God is a Pink Unicorn-- no matter how sure that person believed that, or how strongly they insulted you for refusing to accept their belief.

Many of your posts and links are corrupted because they are too obviously connected to an unprofessional bias. For example, you link to spiritualist websites to argue vegetarian morality, when your "audience" needs something more solid-- strong philosophical arguments, or better yet, actual scientific results (and not "interpreted" by biased sources, actual links or descriptions of the science).

Many people have asked you to present your arguments in a way that is meaningful to non-Riketto humans, but you generally have not done this. The result is that you are mocked.

If you want to argue, and say "Everyone else does it too," or think you are free to say whatever you like, that's fine-- you are free to do so. But nothing will ever change-- nobody will listen to the many GOOD arguments you make, because you've made too many weak ones. It's too bad for me-- as an agnostic, I'm fairly "spiritual," and I'm strongly vegetarian. If you listened better to what people have said, you could have been a strong ally. Instead, I have to try hard not to let people think all vegetarians are as illogical as they think you are.

1) If my arguments are illogical how come that you guys never explained how the saturated fats the cholesterol and the toxins are choking the arteries of meat eaters than don't eat junk food or got any other bad habits?
2) If my arguments are illogical why don't you disproof my idea that you can only have the evidence that God exist if you show any interest in it?
Why God would ever show in people that are not interested in him?
This to me is illogical.

[Confused Ape]

I thought that you heard about a planet called EARTH.
It is in the solar system and is where Riketto live.
It happen that it is frozen at the two extremities only with some peaks as well but mainly at the two extremities.
Don't ask me why it is frozen only at the extremities.
I am not a physical scientist but that is the way it is.

In post # 798 you said -

There is something very simple that can be done at home.
You take a ball.
You freeze two end or extremeness of this ball like the south and north pole and then put the ball inclined or oblique.
After a while when the ice at the two extremities melt you will find that the ball change position.
This is what is called pole shift.

You made it sound like a home experiment using some kind of ball.

Italians worst Europeans behind the wheel

I believe you but what this has got to do with the point that i was making?
Let me remind you.
I took the example of changing way of doing things as you get into a different culture and this related to a possible pole shift in which people get worry for their own existence.

You said -

This come because the consciousness in this particular field is such and such so these guys will adjust their way of doing things according to the main way of life here.

Yes, sensible people who move to a different culture do adapt to new ways. I don't think that consciousness and worrying for their existence has anything to do with Indian taxi drivers, though. If consciousness about these things is so high in Australia, why are there reckless drivers in this country? Is the consciousness of Italians lower than the rest of Europe?

You want to know whether God exist or not.
Again you got to have desire for it and then build up a relationship with that entity.
You want proofs of God first?
You can't have them as you could have them in a physical-material situation as God is not physical-material.
As you can see it is not easy whether you want this or that in your life.

OK, so God is subjective. Does that mean Apollo and Goddess Earth are real deities because I've had subjective experiences of them?

I doubt that God will ever let you know that he exist unless you get interest in this matter.
Would you care to let know that you care about someone that doesn't care about you?

Your God hasn't let me know that he/she/it exists so I'd better go with Apollo and Goddess Earth.

[Natachan]

1) If my arguments are illogical how come that you guys never explained how the saturated fats the cholesterol and the toxins are choking the arteries of meat eaters than don't eat junk food or got any other bad habits?

Saturated fat doesn't cause clogged arteries. This is caused by LDL which is rushed to a site where the heart tissue is inflamed or damaged often due to smoking or diabetes being oxidized as a result of metabolic rate syndrome, or due to a diet high in trans fats, or smoking. This causes clogged arteries, and ultimately heart attacks. People on high protien low carb diets rarely have heart problems, and generally have better health than those who eat a lot of carbs and very little meat.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/m...-the-30079

http://cholesterol.about.com/od/lipoprot...zedldl.htm

2) If my arguments are illogical why don't you disproof my idea that you can only have the evidence that God exist if you show any interest in it?
Why God would ever show in people that are not interested in him?

Many of us were Christians. Many of us thought we knew God. Yet there was no real evidence to substantiate out beliefs besides our own personal subjective experience, which is not reliable. This was really sad for me because I LIKE Catholicism. I wanted it to be true.

[Little Rik]

You made it sound like a home experiment using some kind of ball.

You certainly can do if you want to.
In the same way as the planet earth got the two ice poles you can also recreate the ice poles in a ball.
The sun keep the water warm around the equator and less and less away from the equator which is the closer point to the sun.
You can freeze a wet ball and then with a heater melt the ice in the middle.
Now you have the ice only at the extremities.

Yes, sensible people who move to a different culture do adapt to new ways. I don't think that consciousness and worrying for their existence has anything to do with Indian taxi drivers, though. If consciousness about these things is so high in Australia, why are there reckless drivers in this country? Is the consciousness of Italians lower than the rest of Europe?

Ape, you just can't get away from my example of how people react in different countries.
The example didn't mean to point the finger here or there but rather to see how the culture of a particular place can affect people of different culture and from here to see how new challenges can affect people consciousness.

OK, so God is subjective. Does that mean Apollo and Goddess Earth are real deities because I've had subjective experiences of them?

Anything that exist will show up.
What does not exist will not.

Your God hasn't let me know that he/she/it exists so I'd better go with Apollo and Goddess Earth.

The gold is there under the ground or it may not be there.
Until you dig the soil you will not know.

[Confused Ape]

You can freeze a wet ball and then with a heater melt the ice in the middle.
Now you have the ice only at the extremities.

Have you tried doing this?

Ape, you just can't get away from my example of how people react in different countries.
The example didn't mean to point the finger here or there but rather to see how the culture of a particular place can affect people of different culture and from here to see how new challenges can affect people consciousness.

I can't see what this has to do with spirituality, though.

Does that mean Apollo and Goddess Earth are real deities because I've had subjective experiences of them?

Anything that exist will show up.
What does not exist will not.

According to some Hindu philosophies, all the gods and goddesses are really different aspects of Brahman. If there is only one absolute reality God, all the gods and goddesses of any culture could be aspects of it as well. This still isn't proof of existence other than subjective experience, though.

The gold is there under the ground or it may not be there.
Until you dig the soil you will not know.

Jungian psychology requires me to keep digging. If I ever find anything it will still be subjective reality.

[bennyboy]

1) If my arguments are illogical how come that you guys never explained how the saturated fats the cholesterol and the toxins are choking the arteries of meat eaters than don't eat junk food or got any other bad habits?
2) If my arguments are illogical why don't you disproof my idea that you can only have the evidence that God exist if you show any interest in it?
Why God would ever show in people that are not interested in him?
This to me is illogical.

1) I didn't say all your arguments are illogical. I said you make so many illogical arguments that nobody will appreciate the few good ideas you have.

2) You haven't defined God, or the evidence for God, or explained why the evidence is sufficient to prove that God exists. People have experiences of God all the time, but that only proves that people have the capacity for religious experience-- it doesn't demonstrate that their interpretation of the experience (i.e. they think God has revealed himself) represents reality. Seeing is believing, but believing is not necessarily being right.

[Jacob(smooth)]

thought that you heard about a planet called EARTH.
It is in the solar system and is where Riketto live.

[Little Rik]

1) I didn't say all your arguments are illogical. I said you make so many illogical arguments that nobody will appreciate the few good ideas you have.

I got a different story Ben.
If people would consider most of my argument illogical they would come up with a counter argument that would knock down my idea.
I found very very rare that they are able to do so.
I admit that in some instance i was wrong but most of the time i am not which means that rather than my argument being illogical they just go against their belief and for this reason only they think that i am wrong.

2) You haven't defined God, or the evidence for God, or explained why the evidence is sufficient to prove that God exists. People have experiences of God all the time, but that only proves that people have the capacity for religious experience-- it doesn't demonstrate that their interpretation of the experience (i.e. they think God has revealed himself) represents reality. Seeing is believing, but believing is not necessarily being right.

Many people get excited in the hope that something in their dreams is true or is going to materialize.
Most of the time the dream and faith slowly disappear as the reality say NO.
It is when the enthusiasm and the reality become one that you realize that you are correct.
How can you define God when you realize that God is within?
As the consciousness that God is within grow you become more and more aware of who you really are but again how would you explain externally?
It is already difficult to explain the excitement that you feel physically speaking when you are in love with someone so to explain spiritual love is even more difficult.
Maybe in the future the technology may be able to invent a machine that is able to look within and explain the role of the pineal gland.
At the moment the only way is the hard way which goes like this..........desire for it.....ideation that everything and everybody is his creation and adjusting our life so to be in tune with spiritual evolution.