Shroud of Turin

[Cyberman]

I'll have to dig out the papers on it, but as memory serves I'm not far off on the height.

The hands are also interesting, as there's essentially two sets of them caused by a double exposure.

Even were it a genuine burial shroud once wrapped over a corpse, basic common sense would tell you that any image somehow retained on the fabric would be grotesquely distorted once the cloth is unwrapped and laid flat.

[Minimalist]

basic common sense

Generally out of reach for the dead-jew-on-a-stick crowd.

[Anomalocaris]

I saw one suggestion that the shroud of Turin was made by baking: A hot stone stature that's been heated over a fire for a long time is placed on the shroud that's been soaked in urine, and then allowed to cool over several hours. Other details were then painted on.

[Cyberman]

Found the article I was after:

Shrouded in deceit - Leonardo's last laugh

It's by Ken Humphreys and used to be hosted at JesusNeverExisted until it was taken down for expansion and improvement.

Whether you accept his analysis or his conclusions or not, the basic facts are sound. Basically, anyone offering the shroud as evidence for the godman might just as well cite Noah's flood for the Grand Canyon. It's that level of desperation.

[Minimalist]

The problem with the Leonardo stuff is that the shroud was displayed and denounced almost a hundred years before Leonardo was born. Argues convincingly against his involvement.

[professor]

I have read a few accounts of investigation by scientist on it.

They found pollen from the area of Israel.
The size of the sheet is consistent with measuring by cubits.
As was the method of burial by middle east people at the time.

No one has figured out what made the image, it is not paint and only is on the top fibers of the cloth.

Blood is on it but the image is not from blood.

The part of the cloth destroyed by the 1988 carbon dating was of questionable origin likely having been taken from a patch done at one time.

My view is it is here especially for you guys.
Extensive report- http://www.newgeology.us/presentation24.html

[Anomalocaris]

I have read a few accounts of investigation by scientist on it.

They found pollen from the area of Israel.
The size of the sheet is consistent with measuring by cubits.
As was the method of burial by middle east people at the time.

No one has figured out what made the image, it is not paint and only is on the top fibers of the cloth.

Blood is on it but the image is not from blood.

The part of the cloth destroyed by the 1988 carbon dating was of questionable origin likely having been taken from a patch done at one time.

My view is it is here especially for you guys.
Extensive report- http://www.newgeology.us/presentation24.html

Is the size of Jesus also consistent with measurement in cubits?



Oh yeah, and another part of it was used to bless the alien pilot of an UFO that participated in the moon landing hoax but subsequently saw the light and agreed to worship Jesus Christ.

[Minimalist]

John C Iannone is a two-bit catholic phony with a web site. He makes money selling bullshit to gullible fools.... like you, prof. Time to grow up.

[FatAndFaithless]

I believe there have been successful attempts to make copies of the shroud that pass all the same "tests" that theists like to claim proves its divinity. Gimme a bit to search.

EDIT: Literally the first thing that popped up. Oh and by the way, scientists dated the shroud to somewhere between 1260 and 1390. Not very Christy. But the scientist who created the replica probably has it right:

"If they don't want to believe carbon dating done by some of the world's best laboratories they certainly won't believe me,"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl...le4287821/

[Minimalist]

I think this is what you were referring to, Chuck.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/...in.shroud/

An Italian scientist says he has reproduced one of the world's most famous Catholic relics, the Shroud of Turin, to support his belief it is a medieval fake, not the cloth Jesus was buried in. Luigi Garlaschelli says his reproduction of the shroud disproves the claims of its strongest supporters.

Luigi Garlaschelli created a copy of the shroud by wrapping a specially woven cloth over one of his students, painting it with pigment, baking it in an oven (which he called a "shroud machine") for several hours, then washing it.

His result looks like the cloth that many Christians through the centuries have believed is the actual burial shroud of Jesus, he told CNN.

"What you have now is a very fuzzy, dusty and weak image," he said. "Then for the sake of completeness I have added the bloodstains, the burns, the scorching because there was a fire in 1532."