Ice Bucket Challenge

[Sejanus]

How much energy does it take to freeze water?

According to wikipedia, about 334 joules per gram. (Which is 6.012 Kj/mol by my rough calculation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of...substances

[rexbeccarox]

The American Heart Association probably gets more donations as well. From Gaijin Goomba's video, apparently there isn't even treatment for this disease. They just give you some medicine to ease the pain as you die.

Are you meaning to say that people taking the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge are also donating to the AHA, or some other charity?



I'll betcha they're not.

They're either 1) doing the bucket, 2) donating to ALS research (that is, after all, what the IBC is all about) or 3) donating to ALS research and doing the bucket.

My bet is that most people are only doing (1).

I dunno... in every video I've seen, the person doing the challenege has stated that he or she is donating too.

Although, my awful neighbors did a video earlier, and I can pretty much guarantee they didn't donate. Horrible people.

[Chad32]

The American Heart Association probably gets more donations as well. From Gaijin Goomba's video, apparently there isn't even treatment for this disease. They just give you some medicine to ease the pain as you die.

Are you meaning to say that people taking the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge are also donating to the AHA, or some other charity?



I'll betcha they're not.

They're either 1) doing the bucket, 2) donating to ALS research (that is, after all, what the IBC is all about) or 3) donating to ALS research and doing the bucket.

My bet is that most people are only doing (1).

No, I was responding to you saying you would rather donate towards something that kills more people per year. I was saying there are likely already many more donations to that because it's more well known and deadly. That doesn't mean we should neglect a disease that doesn't actually have a treatment.

[Clueless Morgan]

I dunno... in every video I've seen, the person doing the challenege has stated that he or she is donating too.

Although, my awful neighbors did a video earlier, and I can pretty much guarantee they didn't donate. Horrible people.

With the exception of the celebrity videos I've seen (and I haven't seen many of them) most of the "regular people" videos I've seen have stated that the person is doing the challenge in lieu of donating, or I know for a fact they did the challenge (because I was there watching or filming it) and have no intention of donating.

One person I know would, if challenged, refuse to do the ice bucket and wouldn't donate.

Are you meaning to say that people taking the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge are also donating to the AHA, or some other charity?

No, I was responding to you saying you would rather donate towards something that kills more people per year. I was saying there are likely already many more donations to that because it's more well known and deadly. That doesn't mean we should neglect a disease that doesn't actually have a treatment.

From heart.org, the AHA's website, they've posted this annual report for the fiscal year of 2012-2013 (see page 15 of the report for their financials)
http://www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-pu...460995.pdf

According to this report their total Public Support and Other Revenue for the 2012-13 fiscal year was $686,538. That's paltry given that 2,200 Americans die of heart disease every day.

And I don't want anyone to misunderstand me:

I think it's a great thing that the ice bucket challenge is bringing awareness to a disease most people aren't that aware of or familiar with and which, as Chad32 points out, doesn't have a cure. The only thing you can really do for an ALS patient is make them comfortable while they slowly die and that fucking sucks. For a lot of people the only exposure they get to ALS is Stephen Hawking, and while they might know he suffers from Lou Gehrig's Disease, most people don't know that Lou Gehrig's and ALS are the same thing.

I also know first hand how ALS affects the families of those afflicted with this disease.

I am also not advocating for people to stop donating to ALS research, or any other cause they might feel passionate about.

However

It is in my opinion that seeing as how the IBC has garnered almost 4 times as many donations as ALS usually raises a year, and they did it in a matter of months, that my money should go toward a disease that consistently lands at the top of the list of killers and isn't actually that well funded in terms of donations.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-...-death.htm

And, no, the preponderance of people in the US don't realize that heart disease kills more people a year than cancer does (though not by much, and you have to combine all cancers to even come close to rivaling heart disease). When asked what people think is the leading cause of death and exclude things like car accidents and communicable diseases people say cancer, and when they go to the hospital they are more scared of being diagnosed with cancer than heart disease, though there is good reason to be (nearly) equally concerned about both.

It's also not like it's an easy choice to say no to donating to ALS research, just like it's not easy to say no to donating to cancer research or suicide prevention groups or developing world charities (or humane societies or save the whales campaigns, or environmental stewardship drives...). We all have limited funds to donate and we all have to make choices about where those funds should go.

[Chad32]

According to this report their total Public Support and Other Revenue for the 2012-13 fiscal year was $686,538. That's paltry given that 2,200 Americans die of heart disease every day.

That is not very much. I guess I was wrong.

[naimless]

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[The Valkyrie]

Thanks, SC, for the challenge but I must say :Not on your bloody life.

I'll donate happily but I'm from a naturally warm country living in a reasonably cold country just coming out of the arse end of winter.

Ice does not a happy Beccs make.

[Losty]

i just did the cum bucket challenge

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Edited to delete picture

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At the very least a hide tag would have been appropriate.

[The Valkyrie]

i just did the cum bucket challenge

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At the very least a hide tag would have been appropriate.

This.

DEFINITELY this.

[Brakeman]

Awareness? Donations to an Association? Fuck that! Fight the damned disease by voting for government labs and hospitals to research and cure it. If the pentagon can spend a trillion dollars on a aircraft carrier that we don't need, they can spend a trillion dollars on medical cures that we do.