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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 1:57 am
(September 28, 2014 at 1:44 am)psychoslice Wrote: Experience gives you just that, when we reduce it to knowledge then that is second-hand, its not your experience its someone else's, get it !!.
It's you who doesn't understand the importance of someone elses experience. You might not have the emotions or all the fine details, but it is generally more valuable than you sacraficing your time, energy, and maybe your wellbeing to repeat someone elses experience.
It's also interesting on how you have no comment on preventive care argument.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 2:01 am
(September 28, 2014 at 1:57 am)Surgenator Wrote: (September 28, 2014 at 1:44 am)psychoslice Wrote: Experience gives you just that, when we reduce it to knowledge then that is second-hand, its not your experience its someone else's, get it !!.
It's you who doesn't understand the importance of someone elses experience. You might not have the emotions or all the fine details, but it is generally more valuable than you sacraficing your time, energy, and maybe your wellbeing to repeat someone elses experience.
It's also interesting on how you have no comment on preventive care argument.
Yes that maybe so, but still experience is the ultimate, you just cannot beat it. Anyway, there is no use in arguing over such things, I appreciate your view, as much as I hope you appreciate my view, we both are seeing something from different angles, and that is all it is.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 1:01 pm
Peventive Care, think about it
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 2:59 pm
(September 28, 2014 at 2:01 am)psychoslice Wrote: Yes that maybe so, but still experience is the ultimate, you just cannot beat it.
No. Evidence is ultimate not experience. You can have plenty of experiences that give you false knowledge or interpretation of reality. Evidence doesn't have this weakness. That is why it is the ultimate.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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(September 28, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Surgenator Wrote: (September 28, 2014 at 2:01 am)psychoslice Wrote: Yes that maybe so, but still experience is the ultimate, you just cannot beat it.
No. Evidence is ultimate not experience. You can have plenty of experiences that give you false knowledge or interpretation of reality. Evidence doesn't have this weakness. That is why it is the ultimate.
I don't know what you mean really. Experiences are necessary for any conceptual statement, any citation of evidence, literally everything that may be considered meaningul.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 4:24 pm
(September 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Lately I've been fascinated with the idea of consciousness. I've been reading a bit on quantum physics, and have come to the idea that the conscious state of mind is completely seperate from the brain.
In other words:
1) I feel as though I am not my body. For instance, if I cut my own hand off, my hand is no longer me, I'm still in the larger portion of my own body (of course I know that's mainly because my brain is still communicating with the rest of my body).
2) It takes the brain roughly 80 milliseconds to process new stimulus, including getting that information to the brain via the nervous system. Which introduces the idea that time may not exist if it is all according to how fast the brain can process whats going on.
3) Finally, there are all types of optical, tactile and auditory illusions that can play tricks on the brain. We can only perceive our world through our senses, even certain animals can percieve colors invisible to the naked eye. Which, too me, all says that the brain is a magnificent instrument, but is not perfect. And instruments aren't autonomous.
What do you all think?
If you look at this in a scientific way, your conclusion is based on unfair experiments.
When trying to find out if the hand was a part of you, you cut it off. The hand is no longer there but you still function.
Now you speak of the brain, but you haven't tried the cutting off experiment with the brain.
If you believe your experiment with your hand is correct, (the conclusion being that you are not your hand because when the hand is cut off you remain conscious).
Then you must conclude that you and your consciousness are a result of your brain.
You cut the brain off an animal it is no longer conscious, give the body drugs that effect the brain, you become happier or unhappy. You can become more alert, or more drowsy.
I don't understand your 2nd or 3rd points enough to comment on them.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Consciousness is incorporeal. It is limitless in its expression of itself. Our discussions about it are amusing to me.
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 5:22 pm
What kind of acid trip is going on in this thread?
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 5:50 pm
(September 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Consciousness is incorporeal. It is limitless in its expression of itself. Our discussions about it are amusing to me.
Considering disembodied consciousness is amusing to me. Where has anyone ever experienced that?
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
September 28, 2014 at 5:54 pm
(September 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Consciousness is incorporeal. (September 28, 2014 at 5:50 pm)whateverist Wrote: Where has anyone ever experienced that? Where indeed? 
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