Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[psychoslice]

No I can't agree with that, I had chicken pox, German measles, normal measles, I got through all that quite easy, and I feel that having these so called diseases helped to build my immune system sky high.

But many people do not get through those fine.

And those vaccinated have the same immunity as those who had the disease, in some cases better if the vaccine is derived from multiple strains.

The immune system is not like a muscle - it doesn't get stronger with use.

That may be so, but all I can do is take what myself have observed, there is so much out there for and against vaccines. I remember all my friends getting measles and chicken pox, and not one ever had any problems. Anyway it comes down to what we believe is best, there is too much cover up going on with the very people who dish that crap out, and there is so many against it with stupid theories, so again we have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions.

[Chas]

But many people do not get through those fine.

And those vaccinated have the same immunity as those who had the disease, in some cases better if the vaccine is derived from multiple strains.

The immune system is not like a muscle - it doesn't get stronger with use.

That may be so, but all I can do is take what myself have observed, there is so much out there for and against vaccines. I remember all my friends getting measles and chicken pox, and not one ever had any problems. Anyway it comes down to what we believe is best, there is too much cover up going on with the very people who dish that crap out, and there is so many against it with stupid theories, so again we have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions.

Your sample size is too small to draw any valid conclusions.

And please cite some references for any cover-ups.

[psychoslice]

That may be so, but all I can do is take what myself have observed, there is so much out there for and against vaccines. I remember all my friends getting measles and chicken pox, and not one ever had any problems. Anyway it comes down to what we believe is best, there is too much cover up going on with the very people who dish that crap out, and there is so many against it with stupid theories, so again we have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions.

Your sample size is too small to draw any valid conclusions.

And please cite some references for any cover-ups.

I know it is hard for you to realize that vaccines can be dangerous this is because you have been conditioned to believe what you believe, by people who you believe are qualified and therefore must be doing the right thing. To believe such things is to be hoodwinked, your not seeing the truth because of the white coats standing in the way.

I know there is a lot of info that makes vaccines look good, but there is also a lot of info that goes against your beliefs. As I said, we have to make our own choice, just like religion, there is so many beliefs on both sides. I know you don't believe in a god, but at the same time you worship those who wear the white coat, or the name science, its all the same.

I have my beliefs and I'm sticking to that, well at least until someone can give me absolute truth. You have your beliefs, but your truth comes from the very ones who are pulling the wool over your eye's.

[TaraJo]

But many people do not get through those fine.

And those vaccinated have the same immunity as those who had the disease, in some cases better if the vaccine is derived from multiple strains.

The immune system is not like a muscle - it doesn't get stronger with use.

That may be so, but all I can do is take what myself have observed,

Yep. Same here. What I've observed are people dying from illnesses they could have easily been vaccinated from.

Even if it doesn't kill you, getting a disease can have lasting effects. Shingles is a perfect example. I've talked to people who have parents who are anti-vax and, sure, they survived, but they've also had to take far more sick days from school or work.

I've also observed a simple study of history. People were terrified of small pox until doctors kicked its ass with a vaccine and now it is literally extinct. I've observed that polio has gotten much less common since we created a vaccine for it. I've observed that there have only been a handful of cases of people contracting yellow fever since the vaccination for it came out.

Yes, I have plenty of observations based on an understanding of history and biology while you have observations that seem to be based on paranoid conspiracy theories. My vote is, take that shit over to infowars where you'll find other people who will listen to it.

[Bad Writer]

So "absolute truth" would convince you that vaccines are safe, p'slice? Can you let us know what that would look like?

[psychoslice]

That may be so, but all I can do is take what myself have observed,

Yep. Same here. What I've observed are people dying from illnesses they could have easily been vaccinated from.

Even if it doesn't kill you, getting a disease can have lasting effects. Shingles is a perfect example. I've talked to people who have parents who are anti-vax and, sure, they survived, but they've also had to take far more sick days from school or work.

I've also observed a simple study of history. People were terrified of small pox until doctors kicked its ass with a vaccine and now it is literally extinct. I've observed that polio has gotten much less common since we created a vaccine for it. I've observed that there have only been a handful of cases of people contracting yellow fever since the vaccination for it came out.

Yes, I have plenty of observations based on an understanding of history and biology while you have observations that seem to be based on paranoid conspiracy theories. My vote is, take that shit over to infowars where you'll find other people who will listen to it.

You don't even deserve a reply !!.

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So "absolute truth" would convince you that vaccines are safe, p'slice? Can you let us know what that would look like?

There is no such thing as Absolut truth is there.

[Bad Writer]

I don't know. Your ambiguous responses as of late seemed to hint that you would accept that vaccines are safe if you received absolute truth about it. We are asking what that truth would consist of in order to satisfy your requirements for changing your mind.

[psychoslice]

I don't know. Your ambiguous responses as of late seemed to hint that you would accept that vaccines are safe if you received absolute truth about it. We are asking what that truth would consist of in order to satisfy your requirements for changing your mind.

This isn't a one way street you know, there is plenty of evidence out there against vaccines, so you are really in the same boat as I am, but the difference is that you think you are the only right one, OK, I might be pig headed, but what about you, you haven't the balls to say that, hey, I might be wrong, but no, you are right, well at least you think you are. You are no different than the religious, you preach what you believe, and don't like anyone to tread on that preaching, or belief, Na, just get over it and let me have my beliefs as you like to have yours.

[rexbeccarox]

Psycho, what is this "plenty of evidence" you speak of? My gawds! This thread is on 81 pages, and you still haven't produced any evidence! Why is this so hard?

[FatAndFaithless]

Psycho, what is this "plenty of evidence" you speak of? My gawds! This thread is on 81 pages, and you still haven't produced any evidence! Why is this so hard?

So far its just been "i was vaccinated and then I was sick, so obviously it was the vaccinations, therefore vaccines are bad for you."