Schadenfreude

[Alex K]

Judging emotions as moral or immoral is how we decide whether those emotions should be acted upon. For example, if I see something good and want to steal it, I would then determine that according to my moral principles, that emotion is immoral - so I shouldn't act on it. While the action is a crime, the emotion itself qualifies for immorality.

Really? I'd say morality is behavior based on reason. Don't steal, that's moral. Want to steal? That a test. Steal? That's failure and immoral.

What's the difference between ethical and moral then?

[Jenny A]

Really? I'd say morality is behavior based on reason. Don't steal, that's moral. Want to steal? That a test. Steal? That's failure and immoral.

What's the difference between ethical and moral then?

If you must. Ethical is behavior. Moral is the standard. But I don't believe in thought crimes or moral lapses either.

[Alex K]

What's the difference between ethical and moral then?

If you must. Ethical is behavior. Moral is the standard. But I don't believe in thought crimes or moral lapses either.

I must, I must. I'm just asking because I always associated ethical with a more reasoned approach, and morality with a more dogmatic one. But you seem to say that behavior is ethical if it complies to the moral standard?

[Jenny A]

If you must. Ethical is behavior. Moral is the standard. But I don't believe in thought crimes or moral lapses either.

I must, I must. I'm just asking because I always associated ethical with a more reasoned approach, and morality with a more dogmatic one. But you seem to say that behavior is ethical if it complies to the moral standard?

I don't care whether you consider ethics or morality the standard. What I care about is whether you consider behavior in conformance to the standard definitive or whether mere thoughts are a violation. I think behavior is the ONLY standard.

[Exian]

Alex,
That was awesome! Thanks for sharing the video. It wouldn't be easy describing the 'freude' I felt listening to that. Must be my German descent. Now, if we could just get Germany to sing everything...

[genkaus]

Really? I'd say morality is behavior based on reason. Don't steal, that's moral. Want to steal? That a test. Steal? That's failure and immoral.

It is based on reason - you have to rationally decide which emotions are moral or immoral.

[Alex K]

Alex,
That was awesome! Thanks for sharing the video. It wouldn't be easy describing the 'freude' I felt listening to that. Must be my German descent.

Schiller's original poem and also Beethoven's ideas were all about seeing humanity as a whole, not about being German or not. Quoth Schiller:

Joy, beautiful sparkle of god,
Daughter of Elysium,
We enter, fire-drunk,
Heavenly one, your shrine.
Your magics bind again
What custom has strictly parted.
All men(*) become brothers
Where your tender wing lingers.


That's the antithesis of tribalism, and it's from 1808 no less, a time when the nationalists were the progressive movement. And of course, Beethoven moved to Vienna pretty quickly because that's where it was at back then.

(*) In the original it's alle Menschen, i.e. all of humankind

[vorlon13]

If the Baptwits have been picketing the local brothel and calling for God to smite that den of inequity, and 2 weeks later lightning strikes their church and burns it to the ground, I'm thinking we are going to have quite a celebratory thread here.


Other hypothetical items that would be well received:


autopsy on Fred Phelps shows raging case of rectal gonorrhea

Rush Limbaugh divorces bride #4 and marries #5 while castigating immoral gays for corrupting marriage

Pat Robertson chokes to death on a gold coin

Catholic Bishop gang raped in prison while serving term for pedophilia

[Alex K]

If the Baptwits have been picketing the local brothel and calling for God to smite that den of inequity, and 2 weeks later lightning strikes their church and burns it to the ground, I'm thinking we are going to have quite a celebratory thread here.

A fair source of mirth if noone was hurt..

Other hypothetical items that would be well received:


autopsy on Fred Phelps shows raging case of rectal gonorrhea

I have no opinion

Rush Limbaugh divorces bride #4 and marries #5 while castigating immoral gays for corrupting marriage

It's funny cause it's true!

Pat Robertson chokes to death on a gold coin

Naaah... naaah

Catholic Bishop gang raped in prison while serving term for pedophilia

Would not be well-received at all - i hope. Don't make atheists look bad.

[vorlon13]

RLs probably isn't too funny to bride #4. (although a 7 figure settlement would mitigate it quite a bit)