Hi, I'm the Godhead

[Eilonnwy]

Whether or not I reject someone else's take on life depends on whether or not I agree and if it feels right.

Classic appeal to emotion. Your feelings have no bearing on what is true.

[Jaysyn]

Minimalist -

I suppose so but when it comes to views on life and the universe it's not easy to convince people, but more importantly it's rarely necessary. The way I see it, it's by living that you form your philosophy, as well as by having a philosophical approach and taking the time to ponder. Over time one instinctively decides for themselves what feels right.

I hate philosophy.


Mental masturbation.

Natural Philosophy was a useful precursor to modern science.

[fr0d0]

I don't think you listened then Void. godhead said that YOUR concept was equally valid. You're straight-jacketing the term 'valid' when godhead made clear it wasn't his choice of word, but yours. You run the danger of hanging someone because they failing to justify your reasoning, which is fallacial for good reason.

[Godhead]

What does valid mean anyway? If it means acceptable, then that's ok because I accept all my views. If it means permissable, that's alright too because I permit myself to have whatever view I migh have, and it's ok for others to have theirs. If it means better, then that's great because my views and my philosophy serve me, and so they're better for me than other views. Whichever way you look at the word, it boils down to ourselves and what we consider acceptable, permissable, and good / useful. Of course it's up to each of us to decide that for ourselves, and not decide it for each other. But if someone wants to convince or persuade another person that their view would serve them better, there are ways to go about it, and the only good reason I can think of for even wanting to do that at all is to help the person because you like helping people. But even if you did manage to make someone question their own views, you merely end up with a void, which isn't going to automatically be filled by your view. In fact the chances are that the person will fill it themselves with yet another view, which will be at the very least influenced by a similar or related premise or philosophy, and which inevitably won't sit well with yet another person who might disagree, and on it goes. People will always disagree. I'm comfortable with it.

[tavarish]

What does valid mean anyway? If it means acceptable, then that's ok because I accept all my views. If it means permissable, that's alright too because I permit myself to have whatever view I migh have, and it's ok for others to have theirs. If it means better, then that's great because my views and my philosophy serve me, and so they're better for me than other views. Whichever way you look at the word, it boils down to ourselves and what we consider acceptable, permissable, and good / useful. Of course it's up to each of us to decide that for ourselves, and not decide it for each other. But if someone wants to convince or persuade another person that their view would serve them better, there are ways to go about it, and the only good reason I can think of for even wanting to do that at all is to help the person because you like helping people. But even if you did manage to make someone question their own views, you merely end up with a void, which isn't going to automatically be filled by your view. In fact the chances are that the person will fill it themselves with yet another view, which will be at the very least influenced by a similar or related premise or philosophy, and which inevitably won't sit well with yet another person who might disagree, and on it goes. People will always disagree. I'm comfortable with it.

It seems simple questions are lost with you.

It doesn't matter what you believe. The question was about how you came to believe it, and why you prefer your explanation over any other. And, as always, be specific.

Personally, I don't try to convert anyone, nor do most people here. We simply call you out on things that smell fishy - much like the ridiculously vague and contradictory things you've said.

Please don't dodge questions and present straw men. Thanks.

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I don't think you listened then Void. godhead said that YOUR concept was equally valid. You're straight-jacketing the term 'valid' when godhead made clear it wasn't his choice of word, but yours. You run the danger of hanging someone because they failing to justify your reasoning, which is fallacial for good reason.

He hasn't established his reasoning for believing what he believes, and holds the viewpoint that conflicting and incompatible systems are equally valid. Such a viewpoint is largely detached from reality and logically impossible.

[Godhead]

Tavarish -

You're saying that you're not trying to convert me, yet you want me to take the time to tell you all about my beliefs so that you can point out the holes in them which you see. The thing is, no matter what I say, although you might see holes in my beliefs, I don't. So all you can do is confirm to yourself over and over again why you disbelieve what I believe, while I remain unconvinced by your point of view (not that you've told me much if anything about it). Why would I want to take the time to help you play out that scenario? Are you sure you don't want to convert me? Do you want to ridicule me?

[Paul the Human]

Tavarish -

You're saying that you're not trying to convert me, yet you want me to take the time to tell you all about my beliefs so that you can point out the holes in them which you see. The thing is, no matter what I say, although you might see holes in my beliefs, I don't. So all you can do is confirm to yourself over and over again why you disbelieve what I believe, while I remain unconvinced by your point of view (not that you've told me much if anything about it). Why would I want to take the time to help you play out that scenario? Are you sure you don't want to convert me? Do you want to ridicule me?

I'm obviously not tav, but I see your point. I think that what [we] want is to understand why you believe what you believe. There will be holes pointed out and ridicule made, but so what? It is simply honesty... which is all anyone is asking for.

[fr0d0]

It's funny to me that we theists accept science, yet atheists bludgeon us with it like it's something to do with our beliefs, totally ignoring our subject and then calling us narrow minded.

[Autumnlicious]

You're saying that you're not trying to convert me, yet you want me to take the time to tell you all about my beliefs so that you can point out the holes in them which you see. The thing is, no matter what I say, although you might see holes in my beliefs, I don't.

So all you can do is confirm to yourself over and over again why you disbelieve what I believe, while I remain unconvinced by your point of view (not that you've told me much if anything about it). Why would I want to take the time to help you play out that scenario? Are you sure you don't want to convert me? Do you want to ridicule me?

Of course we want to convert you, much like a man of logic is trying to convert an irrational man to logic by pointing out how irrational he is.

Very astute observation, pothead!

The thing is, no matter what I say, although you might see holes in my beliefs, I don't.

You also wouldn't know logic if it came around and punched you in the face, would you?

Tell you the truth, we don't want to ridicule YOU, we want to ridicule the ridiculous. If you're ridiculous, prepare for being jeered out.

Don't wear clown makeup and not expect to get a pie thrown in your face.

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It's funny to me that we theists accept science, yet atheists bludgeon us with it like it's something to do with our beliefs, totally ignoring our subject and then calling us narrow minded.

And speaking of clowns...

Seriously fr0d0, believing in something without a logical reason to do so is, by definition, illogical. This is a forum dedicated, at least by what I've seen, to rationality and free thought. You're free to think anything, however ridiculous or sane it may be but you are expected to articulate and defend it logically.

[Scented Nectar]

Tell you the truth, we don't want to ridicule YOU, we want to ridicule the ridiculous. If you're ridiculous, prepare for being jeered out.

Don't wear clown makeup and not expect to get a pie thrown in your face.

Here's a video about that laughter you get from atheists, Godhead.
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