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**Minimalist** · (This post was last modified: November 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm by Minimalist.)

(November 25, 2014 at 8:26 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Why does it matter if you're an atheist or theist? If your views on it are identical?

Well we already know that the catholics think it is just hunky-dory!

I do have one serious question.

Quote:Paedophiles should be allowed an outlet for their sexuality (cartoons, etc), as long as children are not harmed.

Do you think cartoons would be an actual substitute for them?

**vorlon13** · November 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm

I'm having a problem (several actually, but lets start here) with the man in my scenario as he swore before friends and family to forsake all others when he married the missus and he knows he is violating a vow freely entered into and publicly declared. I'm thinking failing to be honest if not with wifey then at least a therapist, he is already committed to a path that will lead to problems.

If the wife is unaware overtly of his thoughts while he climaxes, wouldn't she still be harmed ??

If my Roth IRA was pillaged by a computer nerd in Estonia in 2002, even if I am unaware till I turn 65 that I have been robbed, I feel I am still a crime victim, NOW. Why not the wife ??

FatAndFaithless · November 25, 2014 at 2:33 pm

Well..first off I don't think you can compare emotional ties between people to physical monetary assets, but that's just me.

As for him "breaking his vow", possibly, sure. I'd guess you'd say the same if he was thinking about another (adult) woman instead of his step-daughter as well, as that would be the same "breaking of the vow". Is he being dishonest to his wife? I can see it, sure. Is that something that should be legislated against? If his wife finds out about his thoughts, and there's a familial rift caused or a divorce or any other sort of unrest in the family because of his thoughts, that's the family's private concerns.

The fact is we don't make laws against thinking certain things. Being dishonest with his wife? Sure. Breaking his vow that he took with marriage? Fine, sure. Future marital problems due to his thoughts? Sure.

Anything to do with the law? Nope. He hasn't done anything illegal. Just gross.

Losty · November 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm

(November 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm having a problem (several actually, but lets start here) with the man in my scenario as he swore before friends and family to forsake all others when he married the missus and he knows he is violating a vow freely entered into and publicly declared. I'm thinking failing to be honest if not with wifey then at least a therapist, he is already committed to a path that will lead to problems.

If the wife is unaware overtly of his thoughts while he climaxes, wouldn't she still be harmed ??

If my Roth IRA was pillaged by a computer nerd in Estonia in 2002, even if I am unaware till I turn 65 that I have been robbed, I feel I am still a crime victim, NOW. Why not the wife ??

Wtf!? You need to take a moment to deeply ponder the implications of invoking thought crime.
I wonder would you also accuse this same spouse of raping his wife if he imagined fucking her when she wasn't in the mood.

**Jenny A** · (This post was last modified: November 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm by Jenny A.)

(November 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:
(November 25, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Losty Wrote: I see nothing nothing wrong with being a pedophile so long as you don't have sex with children. Why would it be any worse than being a person with a rape fetish who doesn't actually rape people?

Individuals like that undoubtedly exist, but would we know about them ??

Not boinking kids regardless of the urges doesn't attract much attention from the authorities; police aren't called, judges and juries never weigh in, and our prisons hold no examples.

If a specific man is thinking of his step daughter all the while he is fucking his wife, I guess as long as neither of the women in that scenario have the slightest inkling anything curious is going on inside his head while he climaxes is OK ???

(typing that made my skin crawl, BTW)

My guess is that he's commoner than we think and no, provided he's not lying to the woman about his affection for her, I can't condemn him for what's going on in his mind.

Losty · (August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)

(November 25, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I do have one serious question.

Quote:Paedophiles should be allowed an outlet for their sexuality (cartoons, etc), as long as children are not harmed.

Do you think cartoons would be an actual substitute for them?

They're already allowed an outlet.
The amount of people that are into daddy/daughter mommy/son kink is a lot higher than most people think. They can just date and adult who happens to be small in stature and enjoy pretending to be a child 24/7.

**Aractus** · November 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm

(November 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Individuals like that undoubtedly exist, but would we know about them ??

Yes of course we would, but we wouldn't have an accurate idea of how many there are.

SteelCurtain · November 25, 2014 at 9:30 pm

I think its pretty obvious that you don't get to choose your attractions. Whether it's a product of genetics or environment, if a person is attracted to children, I don't think that automatically makes that person a monster or immoral. Acting on those attractions, however, is a problem.

I think that having things like stories and cartoons is a slippery slope. Like an alcoholic hanging out at a bar. It would be like a normal person relying solely on pornography for sexual gratification. It's not enough, and soon enough, I think that constantly fantasizing about having sex with children turns to planning, which turns to acting out. Maybe not by rule, but I think it might put more children at risk.

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Poll: Your thoughts on Paedophilia This poll is closed.
Paedophilic thoughts are intrinsically wrong. (Atheist)	8.89%	4	8.89%
Paedophilic thoughts are intrinsically wrong. (Theist)	0%	0	0%
Paedophiles should be assessed on a case-by-case basis and should be treated based on potential risk. (Atheist)	31.11%	14	31.11%
Paedophiles should be assessed on a case-by-case basis and should be treated based on potential risk. (Theist)	2.22%	1	2.22%
Paedophilic thoughts are under the conscious control of the individual. (Atheist)	4.44%	2	4.44%
Paedophilic thoughts are under the conscious control of the individual. (Theist)	0%	0	0%
Paedophiles should be allowed an outlet for their sexuality (cartoons, etc), as long as children are not harmed. (Atheist)	17.78%	8	17.78%
Paedophiles should be allowed an outlet for their sexuality (cartoons, etc), as long as children are not harmed. (Theist)	2.22%	1	2.22%
If Paedophiles are deemed to be a potential risk to children by a medical professional, they should be isolated from the public/monitored. (Atheist)	22.22%	10	22.22%
If Paedophiles are deemed to be a potential risk to children by a medical professional, they should be isolated from the public/monitored. (Theist)	0%	0	0%
Other (Please explain)	11.11%	5	11.11%
Total		45 vote(s)	100%