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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 3:36 am
I agree Jenny, I have heard before that design tends to produce simpler things rather than more complex.
Also, no matter what you observe in the universe and you think you conclude, it's a massive error to then just think you can apply it to the universe as a whole.
If humans were designed, the designer was awful. Just terrible. So I wouldn't be so quick to try and argue a hand in there.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 3:39 am
(January 3, 2015 at 3:36 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree Jenny, I have heard before that design tends to produce simpler things rather than more complex.
Also, no matter what you observe in the universe and you think you conclude, it's a massive error to then just think you can apply it to the universe as a whole.
If humans were designed, the designer was awful. Just terrible. So I wouldn't be so quick to try and argue a hand in there.
Humans are not designed, the system which produced humans is.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 3:50 am
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2015 at 3:53 am by robvalue.)
Well, that system is terrible then. Fucking useless I'm afraid. Humans are exactly what you'd expect from a system that gives no shit about them but which cobbles together bits here and there, creating more problems than Windows.
The system works on natural selection, which requires no guidance. But if you just put a cardboard cutout of God saying "I did that" behind every scientific discovery, you can "prove" he exists whether he does or not.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 9:16 am
(January 3, 2015 at 3:39 am)Heywood Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 3:36 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree Jenny, I have heard before that design tends to produce simpler things rather than more complex.
Also, no matter what you observe in the universe and you think you conclude, it's a massive error to then just think you can apply it to the universe as a whole.
If humans were designed, the designer was awful. Just terrible. So I wouldn't be so quick to try and argue a hand in there.
Humans are not designed, the system which produced humans is.
It seems like you're claiming that what we have today is the design goal of some intelligence that set-up the initial conditions and the rules that evolved the universe. Maybe God spilled some chemicals in his laboratory and this universe is the result? Eventually God plans to clean-up the mess, but for now he is letting our universe exist as a curiosity.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 10:27 am
(January 3, 2015 at 9:16 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 3:39 am)Heywood Wrote: Humans are not designed, the system which produced humans is.
It seems like you're claiming that what we have today is the design goal of some intelligence that set-up the initial conditions and the rules that evolved the universe. Maybe God spilled some chemicals in his laboratory and this universe is the result? Eventually God plans to clean-up the mess, but for now he is letting our universe exist as a curiosity.
The thing about evolutionary systems is an intellect can use them to create very specific but not directly designed things or solve specific problems. The following is an example of a genetic algorithm being used to work out for Megaman, a flawless victory over Airman.
Here, evolution is being used to create an image of a human face.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 10:43 am
Remember that humans are natural too. So from the universe's neutral perspective, things we design aren't designed. It's just stuff doing stuff to other stuff.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 10:47 am
There is no watchmaker in nature anymore than Poseidon is needed to cause hurricanes or Thor being required to cause lightening.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 11:03 am
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If you "see design" it's because you want to see design. You're making claims about things no one can possibly know. Once you get out of our reality and look at it objectively, and have a chat with the bung-hole who made it, get back to me.
What we actually see is no evidence of design, and extremely good natural explanations.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 11:03 am
Asserts idiocy, shifts burden of proof, repeats endlessly.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 3, 2015 at 11:05 am
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