Why be good?

[Losty]

You know, Randy has dropped all pretense at discourse and is now highjacking any thread in which he spots someone he thinks he might convert, and goes straight to prosthelitizing at them and trying to convert them to Catholicism.

That's waaay past annoying.  Isn't there a rule about that around here somewhere?  Mods?  Someone??

Psst...when you see it happen, use your report button

[The Grand Nudger]

You have to throw a bone into the pit and speak the forbidden words, Aurora.   

[pocaracas]

I could fix it for you, but I'd rather you learn.

You must use the quote and hide tags properly. You can't start a quote, hide, end quote, end hide.... that messes everything up. You must either quote, hide, end hide, endquote, OR hide, quote, end quote, end hide.
And I know too well that the new editor doesn't help. Just above the editor text box, you have a bunch of buttons, the one on the far right, looks like a sheet of paper with some lines on it, brings back the normal, old-style, editor.

Too bad I can't see the dang quote tags in whatever version I'm in. I don't see the button you mean. Do you have a screen shot of it?

oh, yeah... you use the mobile version... oh then... you just get the normal editor.... you should see the quote tags properly.

[Aroura]

You know, Randy has dropped all pretense at discourse and is now highjacking any thread in which he spots someone he thinks he might convert, and goes straight to prosthelitizing at them and trying to convert them to Catholicism.

That's waaay past annoying.  Isn't there a rule about that around here somewhere?  Mods?  Someone??

Psst...when you see it happen, use your report button

You know, I've never reported anyone, I pretty much forgot it's there, lol.  Thanks for the reminder.

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You have to throw a bone into the pit and speak the forbidden words, Aurora.   

Got a bone from my baby sandwhich I had for lunch, words said, done.   lol

[Losty]

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Too bad I can't see the dang quote tags in whatever version I'm in. I don't see the button you mean. Do you have a screen shot of it?

oh, yeah... you use the mobile version... oh then... you just get the normal editor.... you should see the quote tags properly.

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Oh yay. No I can see the tags in the mobile version. I just don't really like this mobile version. I'm not good at change lol. I found the button thanks to your picture. That really helps a lot thank you!

[Randy Carson]

As an adult I can read the bible for myself and find all sorts of things that make me want to vomit. When I was running the first time from shelter to shelter with my kids, when we were hiding, I took to my bible. I clutched it tightly because it was all I had. I read it day and night every chance I got. That is how I became an atheist.

A little more would be helpful...how does reading the Bible cause you to become an Atheist. What specifically were you reading that caused this?

However, I think it is fair to say that the Baptists, Methodists (that was me) and the non-denominational churches ALSO have a lot of things going on that you would not see in your typical American Catholic Church.

Yes, of course, but these churches do not claim to be catholic. 

Well, no. That is pretty clear. But remember, Jesus only started ONE Church (cf. Mt. 16:18-19), so what these other "churches" claim or do is not terribly significant to me.

Also, I disagree that hell is something to be taken seriously. If we are going to scoff at something let's scoff at the idea that a bunch of dead people are going to burn for an eternity without being completely burnt up and somehow maintain their sense of pain even though they're dead, because that actually is pretty ridiculous. 

The body is dead but the spirit lives on. And the greatest pain that we may know in that state is separation from God. We do NOT get that experience now because we are not fully cognizant of what we do not have.

Think of it this way, if someone grows up in a place where there is no sugar, then Cheesecake is not something that they long for. But having tasted it, they may desire it (even though it is no longer brought to them from the outside). They now have the want for something that they did not want previously.

When we die, we see the spiritual world clearly. We KNOW God exists and how awesome He is. Those who CHOOSE to flee His presence (because they rightly judge themselves unworthy to be there) still long for that sight of glory which they tasted once.

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Hell is something to be taken very seriously, but not something with which parents should frighten small children.

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You either tell children about hell or you don't.  If you do, it is frightening to them.  So are you saying that children should not be told about hell?

Sex frightens children, too. Especially the girls. THINK about what happens to them. Until they are ready for it, well, they aren't ready for it, okay? That's why parents normally EASE into the full truth over the course of several years as the kids are old enough to handle it.

Hell can be explained when it is appropriate to do so.

[Jenny A]

As an adult I can read the bible for myself and find all sorts of things that make me want to vomit. When I was running the first time from shelter to shelter with my kids, when we were hiding, I took to my bible. I clutched it tightly because it was all I had. I read it day and night every chance I got. That is how I became an atheist.

A little more would be helpful...how does reading the Bible cause you to become an Atheist. What specifically were you reading that caused this?

Yes, of course, but these churches do not claim to be catholic. 

Well, no. That is pretty clear. But remember, Jesus only started ONE Church (cf. Mt. 16:18-19), so what these other "churches" claim or do is not terribly significant to me.

Also, I disagree that hell is something to be taken seriously. If we are going to scoff at something let's scoff at the idea that a bunch of dead people are going to burn for an eternity without being completely burnt up and somehow maintain their sense of pain even though they're dead, because that actually is pretty ridiculous. 

The body is dead but the spirit lives on. And the greatest pain that we may know in that state is separation from God. We do NOT get that experience now because we are not fully cognizant of what we do not have.

Think of it this way, if someone grows up in a place where there is no sugar, then Cheesecake is not something that they long for. But having tasted it, they may desire it (even though it is no longer brought to them from the outside). They now have the want for something that they did not want previously.

When we die, we see the spiritual world clearly. We KNOW God exists and how awesome He is. Those who CHOOSE to flee His presence (because they rightly judge themselves unworthy to be there) still long for that sight of glory which they tasted once.

Randy,

Not quite sure what you did to the formatting (or didn't do) but here it is with your actual comment included.

As to the comment itself, I'd like to see the Biblical justification for it.  Or is it an extra Biblical Catholic revelation like limbo and purgatory?

[Randy Carson]

As to the comment itself, I'd like to see the Biblical justification for it.  Or is it an extra Biblical Catholic revelation like limbo and purgatory?

I'm happy to provide that if I can...but what point specifically?

Sorry.  

[The Valkyrie]

I play by whatever rules I'm given....unless I'm bored and feeling in need of extra attention then I tend to bend the rules just to see what happens

I'm more of a dominant, really.

I make the rules.

[Jenny A]

As to the comment itself, I'd like to see the Biblical justification for it.  Or is it an extra Biblical Catholic revelation like limbo and purgatory?

I'm happy to provide that if I can...but what point specifically?

Sorry.  

Your description of hell as separation from god (despite mentions of hellfire) in various places.