What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Randy Carson]

Randy Carson

I'll be a lot more blunt than CL: the Catholic Church's mistake was in believing that gays could be accepted into the priesthood in the first place without the problems that are being discussed surfacing eventually.


There is no "heterosexual priest" problem in the Catholic Church.  There is a "homosexual priest" problem that is being mis-identified by the media as a "pedophile priest" problem. But these aren't straight, horny priests molesting girls. These are predatory homosexuals preying on boys. (And the affairs with parishioners you speak of are nothing in comparison to the problems experienced in Protestant churches.)

http://pix11.com/2014/09/24/li-priest-ac...-girl-std/

A Long Island priest is accused of molesting a 6-year-old girl, resulting in her contracting an STD.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_2...ng-3-girls

HIBBING, Minn. -- A Hibbing priest was charged Thursday with five counts of criminal sexual conduct for allegedly inappropriately touching three girls in incidents starting last year and continuing through this week.

http://www.rense.com/general24/lifelonghorror.htm

A priest raped Sharan Falotico when she was 13.

She's since tried to kill herself three times, spent nine months in a psychiatric ward, and saw a marriage shatter

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/26/nyregi...-girl.html

A Roman Catholic priest was sentenced yesterday to four months in jail for molesting a 12-year-old altar girl at her home in Brooklyn in 1999.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-s...sting.html

A Catholic priest who pleaded guilty to inappropriately touching an 11-year-old Fairfax County girl last year was sentenced Friday to nine months in jail.

http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_pr...xually.php

An elderly Bronx priest was arrested yesterday and accused of sexually abusing a teenage girl who had just started working at his church rectory last week. Father Jaime Duenas, 87, was arraigned on charges of sexual abuse, forcible touching and endangering the welfare of the 16-year-old girl. And according to prosecutors, he gave this excuse in his cell before his arraignment last night: "She didn't protest to getting a massage...She was wearing short skirts."

http://bossip.com/813367/hide-ya-kids-33...nage-girl/

A California superior court judge sentenced Father Uriel Ojeda, 33, to eight years in state prison on Friday for molesting a teenage girl multiple times.

“My actions were those of a weak and sinful man,” Ojeda said in court.

Ojeda pleaded no contest to sneaking into the young girl’s bedroom at her parents’ Sacramento home on the night he was ordained and climbing into bed with her as she slept.

http://www.priestabusetrial.com/2012/05/...duals.html

The link above is about a priest in PA that abused multiple women

Yes, priests molest girls also.

Wow. You found a few examples to counter what was not claimed by me: I never said that priest had NEVER sexually abused girls. They have.

But not to the same extent that boys have been molested. This is predatory homosexuality...and the media hates having to admit that.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Wow. You found a few examples to counter what was not claimed by me: I never said that priest had NEVER sexually abused girls. They have.

But not to the same extent that boys have been molested. This is predatory homosexuality...and the media hates having to admit that.

Pathetc, utterly pathetic.

"Yeah some girls have been abused [thus destroying any coherence in my argument], but more boys were abused, SO ITS THE FAULT OF THE GAYZ!"

Grow up.

[Randy Carson]

So, if I understand correctly, the Jewish people went from believing in a variety of Gods to believing in a single God. This move to monotheisim took a long time and required quite a bit of effort, apparently, on the part of Yahweh due to the heavy influences of their own past and the interactions with the polytheistic nations around them. Although the Israelites were not always faithful to Yahweh, once they finally embraced God who had revealed himself to them, their relationship with God made Israel unique among the nations.

In short, the one true God formed a people with whom He covenanted Himself in preparation for the sending of His own Son into the world.

Is there something more you want to draw from Israel's history than that?

Effort?
Planning by the rulers, Id say.
The romans then took care to build roads and unwittingly disseminate that single-god concept. It is a simplistic concept and much better suited bring a whole people together, than the divisive polytheist one... Just look at Egypt and how many times they turned over from worshiping Amun to worshiping Ra and vice-versa! Eventually, they came up with Amun-Ra and had peace for a while!

Of course. The Jews and the Romans colluded to pull all this off.

Also, a "one true god" making a covenant with a specific people? A very localized group of people? If you can't see how limited and ungodly such behaviour is, I'm afraid you are hopeless.

How is that ungodly? How does the fact that I know what God did in the history of Israel make me hopeless?

Or is it YOUR assumption, dust of the earth, that God would have to work equally with all people everywhere simultaneously just to satisfy your personal sense of fair play?

And all that just to bring forth a very human-looking "son of the one true god" who would pass on his message to a few uneducated townsfolk, who would pass on his message in such a flawed manner that, 2000 years later, Israel isn't really following those teachings, most of the humanity doesn't follow them...
I wouldn't stand behind such a flawed god.

Let's see...that very human son of God began with a handful of followers who converted the greatest empire on earth within three centuries without firing a single shot in anger and survived all manner of persecutions for 2,000 years while growing into the largest religious body on earth.

You're right. Bad plan. Ignore such a flawed god.

[Catholic_Lady]

Thank you.

I think Randy can better explain this, but what I can say is that we still believe that God did not change. God always has been and always will be the same as what Jesus portrayed to us through his time here. Perhaps we didn't understand God quite right before Jesus came and set the record straight and showed us through example what God is really like, since He was God Himself.

I understand that may be what you guys believe in.... but it doesn't necessarily make it so.

I told Randy this before. What you believe in *may* not be in tune with reality.
People from way back then believed in something different. People in the future will believe in something yet more different (this sentence sounds weird...). Beliefs have evolved and are still evolving.

I understand and respect that these are your views.

However, I obviously do not think that Christianity will ever go extinct. Perhaps (and hopefully) we will gain a better understanding of it as time goes on, but I do not think the Earth will ever be around long enough that Christianity will be a thing of the past.

[Randy Carson]

Wow. You found a few examples to counter what was not claimed by me: I never said that priest had NEVER sexually abused girls. They have.

But not to the same extent that boys have been molested. This is predatory homosexuality...and the media hates having to admit that.

Pathetc, utterly pathetic.

"Yeah some girls have been abused [thus destroying any coherence in my argument], but more boys were abused, SO ITS THE FAULT OF THE GAYZ!"

Grow up.

Perhaps my argument was too complex for you. I'll try again.

While there is no question that Catholic priests have abused some girls and had a affairs with some women, the number of reported incidents of this type are far fewer than the number of cases involving abused young boys.

Predatory homosexual priests are the greater problem, by far, and the Catholic Church erred when admitting these ill-suited men into the seminary.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Nice try, but really, there's nothing you've written on this forum which is complex or worth reading unless you want to see unfounded prejudice and hatred towards an other.

Please carry on evading rebuttals when your arguments have been consigned to the scrap heap. Protip, as above, repeating the same nonsensical argument is a good way to continue the evasions, and I applaud you for doing it in such an obvious and easy to spot manner.

[Whateverist]

So many Catholic sites are trumpeting the study because it was commissioned by the Department of Education - not the Catholic Church - and because idiots on the Internet are still repeating the kind of crap that is seen in your post.

Please return to your own sodden threads and leave your foul manners there. It isn't fair to besmirch our genuine Catholic lady by association with your dishonesty. She in no way merits the dispersion you deserve. I invite you to the thread I started on the study in question to receive the rebuke you deserve. But I won't engage you here.

[Iroscato]

Randy Carson




http://pix11.com/2014/09/24/li-priest-ac...-girl-std/


http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_2...ng-3-girls



http://www.rense.com/general24/lifelonghorror.htm

A priest raped Sharan Falotico when she was 13.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/26/nyregi...-girl.html


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-s...sting.html


http://gothamist.com/2011/08/04/bronx_pr...xually.php


http://bossip.com/813367/hide-ya-kids-33...nage-girl/


http://www.priestabusetrial.com/2012/05/...duals.html

The link above is about a priest in PA that abused multiple women

Yes, priests molest girls also.

Wow. You found a few examples to counter what was not claimed by me: I never said that priest had NEVER sexually abused girls. They have.

But not to the same extent that boys have been molested. This is predatory homosexuality...and the media hates having to admit that.

Go fuck yourself you arrogant, bigoted, condescending holier-than-thou cuntstain.
If that's against the rules here and leads to punishment so be it, but I will NOT let that kind of shit slide.

[Randy Carson]

I understand that may be what you guys believe in.... but it doesn't necessarily make it so.

I told Randy this before. What you believe in *may* not be in tune with reality.
People from way back then believed in something different. People in the future will believe in something yet more different (this sentence sounds weird...). Beliefs have evolved and are still evolving.

I understand and respect that these are your views.

However, I obviously do not think that Christianity will ever go extinct. Perhaps (and hopefully) we will gain a better understanding of it as time goes on, but I do not think the Earth will ever be around long enough that Christianity will be a thing of the past.

I think it was Billy Graham who said that if God does not judge this country for our sins (abortion, homosexuality, etc.), He will owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

[Randy Carson]

Wow. You found a few examples to counter what was not claimed by me: I never said that priest had NEVER sexually abused girls. They have.

But not to the same extent that boys have been molested. This is predatory homosexuality...and the media hates having to admit that.

Go fuck yourself you arrogant, bigoted, condescending holier-than-thou cuntstain.
If that's against the rules here and leads to punishment so be it, but I will NOT let that kind of shit slide.

Welcome to my ignore list. (It was only a matter of time for you.)