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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ^Everyone, look at this.
I'm not asking that you agree with Randy on the OT. I don't. But I understand what he is saying. Just try to understand what he is saying. You don't have to agree.
Oh, I understand his position perfectly.
That's why I just had a little vomit rise in my throat.
Randy's point is that if God had come out and hit everyone with all the morals all at once, it wouldn't have worked. People wouldn't have listened. People would have just dismissed it all right away and never changed. So God had to do it slowly for it to actually work. That's all Randy is saying here. I don't see why that should make you want to vomit.
(i'm going to keep saying this is randy's position not mine so that I don't get accused of believing things I don't actually believe)
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Nope Wrote: And to be clear, you believe a husband can rape his wife?
Yes.
Where does it says so, in that book you like so much? Adultery is mentioned a bunch of times in 10 commandments alone, so is stealing. Nothing about rape. It seems to me you're making sh*t up in order to defend your imaginary friend and his henchmen.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Randy's point is that if God had come out and hit everyone with all the morals all at once, it wouldn't have worked.
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That's just mindblowingly stupid. He's god. He can do what he wants, can't he? Or is his omnipotence not a thing anymore?
And yes - someone trying to justify their imaginary monster's actions - that's pretty sickening.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Yes.
Where does it says so, in that book you like so much? Adultery is mentioned a bunch of times in 10 commandments alone, so is stealing. Nothing about rape. It seems to me you're making sh*t up in order to defend your imaginary friend and his henchmen.
Excuse me...have I been rude to you?
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:01 pm
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RANDY:
I am someone who has never heard your theory on this before, and I haven't been reading what you've been saying this whole time. I've literally only read two of your posts on it in the last hour and that's all it took for me to understand what you are trying to say.
You're saying that if God had hit all those people with all the morals all at once, they would not have listened. They would not have obeyed. And so in order to get people to change, God had to do it slowly, over time. Otherwise it would not have happened. Doing it slowly and over time is the only way God could get people to change and eventually come to accept all the moral standards.
^This is not a difficult concept to understand.
I think everyone who has read, understands this by now. I would honestly just leave it alone at this time and move on to a different topic.
(June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Where does it says so, in that book you like so much? Adultery is mentioned a bunch of times in 10 commandments alone, so is stealing. Nothing about rape. It seems to me you're making sh*t up in order to defend your imaginary friend and his henchmen.
Excuse me...have I been rude to you?
No, you haven't. Just ignore it. It's what I do.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:03 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Excuse me...have I been rude to you? It's nothing personal. Your views and the way you'll say anything in order to hold on to them - they are sickening.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:04 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Randy's point is that if God had come out and hit everyone with all the morals all at once, it wouldn't have worked.
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That's just mindblowingly stupid. He's god. He can do what he wants, can't he? Or is his omnipotence not a thing anymore?
And yes - someone trying to justify their imaginary monster's actions - that's pretty sickening.
Yes, but he still gives us free will. He could force us to act a certain way, but He chooses to give us free will. So He has to work with that.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:05 pm
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(June 24, 2015 at 7:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, but he still gives us free will. He could force us to act a certain way, but He chooses to give us free will. So He has to work with that. Oh, I see. In other words - god CAN make a rock so heavy, he himself won't be able to lift it.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:06 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Excuse me...have I been rude to you? It's nothing personal. Your views and the way you'll say anything in order to hold on to them - they are sickening.
Who cares though?
Honestly. Randy has already said that he believes rape is wrong. What difference does it make whether he believes in a literal interpretation of the OT or not? At the end of the day you both agree with each other that rape is wrong, and in the grand scheme of things, that's all that matters.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 7:06 pm
(June 24, 2015 at 7:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And so in order to get people to change, God had to do it slowly, over time. Otherwise it would not have happened. Doing it slowly and over time is the only way God could get people to change and eventually come to accept all the moral standards.
So allowing them to rape the women of the towns they plundered rather than their own women is OK under god's 12-step program. Gotcha! Okey dokey!
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