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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm
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(June 27, 2015 at 9:36 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: listen i believe god exists and know he does. everything works for you but you need to believe and most of all do your research. there are many testimonies of people and myself that god has helped.
That is what some Muslims say. Does that prove that Islam is true? Does it give you any reason at all to believe that Islam is true? If not, then it does not work for Christianity either.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 1:16 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 11:22 am)Psychonaut Wrote: I know the question seems nonsensical, but hear me out.
I've often encountered my fellow atheists say that there's no evidence for God's existence. This seems true, but I think that the answer may be fairly loaded.
Does it come across to anyone that people sometimes assume we can get evidence to begin with? or is it just me?
I know a fair portion of atheists would disagree, and that everyone knows that you're really saying
"no, and there really is no way to get evidence for such nonsense".
If we can't get evidence, because evidence (at least by scientific standards) is by it's very nature falsifiable,
(something which the god claim can't provide [currently]) then what would anyone constitute as evidence? Are those who use the "we don't have evidence yet" claim literally, deceived?
Seeing it with our own eyes? How would we know it's not a hallucination?
If by some chance we are provided falsifiability, how would we know we aren't deceived by an alien hallucination inducing device?
(Pardon the bong logic format)
If evidence can't point us toward or away from answers to this kind of question, are they even reasonable to ask?
How could anyone who is honestly seeking an answer be expected to come up with one in the face of such obstacles?
Given what is said, does anyone think that there is evidence that would convince them that God exists?
If God gave me all of his powers without retaining any for himself that would be a start.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 1:33 pm
I'm satisfied with the fact I've never saw, smelled, touched, heard or tasted a sample of god is good enough for me - I'm not going to say "there's no evidence" because people have different conceptions of what evidence means and eventually there is no consensus - Unless the part proposing god exists specifically says what constitutes evidence and they can't prove it - The fact god has never been documented by anything or anyone is enough - Not to mention that we are a species with an evolutionary history - We don't need a god to explain why we are here.
A decent logical argument without fallacies would suffice - I won't even request physical proof (still waiting for it)
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 7:44 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 11:22 am)Psychonaut Wrote: I know the question seems nonsensical, but hear me out.
I've often encountered my fellow atheists say that there's no evidence for God's existence. This seems true, but I think that the answer may be fairly loaded.
Does it come across to anyone that people sometimes assume we can get evidence to begin with? or is it just me?
I know a fair portion of atheists would disagree, and that everyone knows that you're really saying
"no, and there really is no way to get evidence for such nonsense".
If we can't get evidence, because evidence (at least by scientific standards) is by it's very nature falsifiable,
(something which the god claim can't provide [currently]) then what would anyone constitute as evidence? Are those who use the "we don't have evidence yet" claim literally, deceived?
Seeing it with our own eyes? How would we know it's not a hallucination?
If by some chance we are provided falsifiability, how would we know we aren't deceived by an alien hallucination inducing device?
(Pardon the bong logic format)
If evidence can't point us toward or away from answers to this kind of question, are they even reasonable to ask?
How could anyone who is honestly seeking an answer be expected to come up with one in the face of such obstacles?
Given what is said, does anyone think that there is evidence that would convince them that God exists?
what are the traits of it?
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What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 9:17 pm
God would have to give me a blowjob (to completion) as evidence.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 27, 2015 at 9:24 pm
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Well, I don't know about being a god but I'd worship anyone who did that for me. Even though they'd be the ones on their knees.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 28, 2015 at 7:37 pm
For it to appear before me and start explaining things.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 28, 2015 at 9:28 pm
Seems to me that you need to start with a definition/series of attributes to test against. You need to know the boundaries of the kind of god you're looking for before you can even say yes/no to potential evidence pointing to it.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 28, 2015 at 10:02 pm
(June 25, 2015 at 11:22 am)Psychonaut Wrote: I know the question seems nonsensical, but hear me out.
I've often encountered my fellow atheists say that there's no evidence for God's existence. This seems true, but I think that the answer may be fairly loaded.
Does it come across to anyone that people sometimes assume we can get evidence to begin with? or is it just me?
I know a fair portion of atheists would disagree, and that everyone knows that you're really saying
"no, and there really is no way to get evidence for such nonsense".
If we can't get evidence, because evidence (at least by scientific standards) is by it's very nature falsifiable,
(something which the god claim can't provide [currently]) then what would anyone constitute as evidence? Are those who use the "we don't have evidence yet" claim literally, deceived?
Seeing it with our own eyes? How would we know it's not a hallucination?
If by some chance we are provided falsifiability, how would we know we aren't deceived by an alien hallucination inducing device?
(Pardon the bong logic format)
If evidence can't point us toward or away from answers to this kind of question, are they even reasonable to ask?
How could anyone who is honestly seeking an answer be expected to come up with one in the face of such obstacles?
Given what is said, does anyone think that there is evidence that would convince them that God exists?
Why should I be the one to decide what evidence I would accept? I mean, god is supposed to be all-knowing, so she knows better than I do what would be sufficient evidence. God is supposed to be all-powerful, too, so whatever that critieria is, is well within her reach.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
June 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm
I think evidence would be for god to show himself to everyone on earth and allow our scientists to observe and study him. He would also need to perform some of these "miracles" we hear so much about.
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