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A moral and ethical question for theists
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July 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 12, 2015 at 11:25 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:Check out post #33. Inerrant and infallible are not the same thing.  (July 12, 2015 at 11:25 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Neither one of us has said anything contrary to Church teaching. The Church is silent on the interpretation of many bible passages, and so the best way to know about the teachings of the Church is to look to the Catechism, the Magisterium, etc. The reason Randy takes a more literal approach to the bible than I do is because he is a former protestant, while I am a cradle Catholic. So this is pretty typical of both of us in regards to our background, though neither one of us is being heretical.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (July 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 11:25 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:Check out post #33. Inerrant and infallible are not the same thing. Check the post you're quoting. I've already said why that statement is at best irrelevant and at worst outright fallacious. I tire of repeating myself to people who aren't even paying attention Reading, people.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42) Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com (July 12, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Check out post #33. Inerrant and infallible are not the same thing. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be acting as though I'm making all this up on my own accord. I am not. The Church does not teach that the bible is infallible, I'm not just saying that.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (July 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be acting as though I'm making all this up on my own accord. I am not. The Church does not teach that the bible is infallible, I'm not just saying that. I'm fully aware that you're regurgitating whatever your church has taught you. What I'm telling you is that regardless of the source of your information, your statement is contradictory. To say that the bible is inerrant but not infallible is to say, "The bible contains no mistakes, but it could contain mistakes." That statement is inherently contradictory. It does not make sense. Those two things cannot be simultaneously true.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42) Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 1:06 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 1:09 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 12, 2015 at 12:50 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be acting as though I'm making all this up on my own accord. I am not. The Church does not teach that the bible is infallible, I'm not just saying that. I see what you're saying, so let me try to clear it up. I should have said that the inerrancy of the bible has not been fully defined as far as what the exact extent of it is, and I think that's where we're running into problems here. Consider the following paragraph from Catholic Answers which explains this: "Although inerrancy isn’t limited to religious truths which pertain to salvation but may include non-religious assertions by the biblical authors, this doesn’t mean Scripture is an inspired textbook of science or history. Inerrancy extends to what the biblical writers intend to teach, not necessarily to what they assume or presuppose or what isn’t integral to what they assert. In order to distinguish these things, scholars must examine the kind of writing or literary genre the biblical writers employ." So it's important to look at what the underlying principles are as the whole message of the bible, and that's the inerrancy of it, not necessarily each quote literally. (though a catholic may still believe that if he/she so wishes without going against church teaching, though I personally believe much of it was written symbolically/allegorically/metaphorically. A Catholic is free to believe in either.) source: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/i...-salvation
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (July 10, 2015 at 7:47 pm)dyresand Wrote: So for some odd reason or another god gives you a small black box with a single red button on it. He tells you have two options Just watched "The Box" have we?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 1:32 pm by Randy Carson.)
INTERVENTION #2
Folks, the bible is not a living being. It cannot make an error because it cannot act at all. It is an inanimate object. Only people can be infallible - that is to say, only people can be prevented by God from making a mistake. The Bible cannot make a mistake because it cannot DO anything. It is what it is. And what it is is inerrant and inspired. But not infallible. (July 11, 2015 at 2:17 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The second coming of Jesus [does not equate with] damning humanity... : And is that not supposed to last for a thousand years?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: A moral and ethical question for theists
July 12, 2015 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 1:24 pm by Longhorn.)
Inerrant?
So I guess all the contradictions and the gospels not being able to get the story right are....NOT errors? ._. |
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