Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?

[Faith No More]

And it's funny how he says Tiberius took it down and then blames American culture. Did Tibs assimilate to our prudish ways that quickly?

When all else fails, blame the Americans, eh, Aractus? Because you live in a perfect country, and you are the embodiment of perfection yourself. Let the stones fly!

[Losty]

Well, I guess the literature isn't disturbing to you, Aractus, but most people find it exceedingly suspicious, at the very least. What you're talking about having is a medical textbook. That is hardly what is listed among MJ's belongings. You cite one book, when there were many books listed, as well as minor pornography on his laptop. You're being selective, not to mention a little gross.

Not to mention these books were found together with books that did have sexual acts...

[account_inactive]

I put the uncensored version on (removed). I originally posted it here and Tiberius felt the need to delete it under the draconian rules on nudity. It seems to be a part of the American culture that for whatever fears and stigmatises nudity, even when it's used in totally non-sexualised ways as it is above in a physiology textbook.

I just find it hilarious how you always manage to slip your hatred of America into almost every post you make. Tiberius and the other staff aren't the dictators you make them out to be. Not everyone wants to see naked kids even if they are non-sexualised images.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm not saying that MJ was innocent, just that the literature cited  is not at all disturbing.

I beg to differ.

I've been on the internet more or less daily for over 16 years... and I can categorically say that that is the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on the internet. And I've seen 2 girls 1 cup.

It's not the most graphic thing I've seen. But it's the most disturbing thing. It makes me shudder.

Creepy, creepy guy.

If you read the full list and don't find that creepy or disturbing... well........ I don't know what to say other than simply that I'm hoping you've simply not read it all.

[GrandizerII]

I put the uncensored version on (removed). I originally posted it here and Tiberius felt the need to delete it under the draconian rules on nudity. It seems to be a part of the American culture that for whatever fears and stigmatises nudity, even when it's used in totally non-sexualised ways as it is above in a physiology textbook.

Australia isn't at all any better. If anything, the laws here regarding child nudity are even more extreme.

[Minimalist]

Why was Michael Jackson stigmatised so harshly?

What was the other choice?  Name him Pervert of the Year?  He'd have had to beat out the pope for that.

[Whateverist]

Look as a a black person it's looks super suspicious when just happen to have vitiligo, the you just happen to have a Eurocentric nose job, and just happen to straighten your hair? And he just happed to have all white kids? This doesn't smack of self-hate to you?

As for the kids thing, I think he was a damn obvious kid diddler. People just liked his music and decided the kids were lying so they wouldn't have to face facts.

Even if it was actually true though, there just wasn't enough evidence. For example, they never found any child porn at his place or in his computer. It's better to let a guilty man walk than it is to imprison an innocent one. When in doubt, take the former.

If you could afford to have actual kids share your bed, why would he need porn?

[Losty]

I put the uncensored version on (removed). I originally posted it here and Tiberius felt the need to delete it under the draconian rules on nudity. It seems to be a part of the American culture that for whatever fears and stigmatises nudity, even when it's used in totally non-sexualised ways as it is above in a physiology textbook.

I just find it hilarious how you always manage to slip your hatred of America into almost every post you make. Tiberius and the other staff aren't the dictators you make them out to be. Not everyone wants to see naked kids even if they are non-sexualised images.

Besides we shouldn't judge Tibbers for his American culture.

[GrandizerII]

You sure this is a misunderstanding? Michael himself said he slept with some of the kids in the same bed. What part did I misunderstand?

Yes I see what you mean, but Macaulay directly refuted that. Why would he of all people lie?

I missed this the first time. My answer is that he didn't contradict what Michael said. From my understanding, he didn't say at all they slept in separate beds. Rather, that the bedroom itself was two storeys or something.

[Whateverist]

Look as a a black person it's looks super suspicious when just happen to have vitiligo, the you just happen to have a Eurocentric nose job, and just happen to straighten your hair? And he just happed to have all white kids? This doesn't smack of self-hate to you?

As for the kids thing, I think he was a damn obvious kid diddler. People just liked his music and decided the kids were lying so they wouldn't have to face facts.

I think there's all sorts of theories you could talk about when you're looking at Micheal Jackson's appearance.

First of all I was very skeptical about this vitiligo thing, but I watched videos of it on youtube that convinced me he just was a guy with vitiligo, then I just realized I didn't really care enought to continue speculating about it.

I think a lot of people pick different looks that cross racial bounderies and emulate that look, if that makes any sense. Lots of white people burn themselves to look dark risking skin cancer and painful sunburn.  People get afros or dreadlocks.  I'm not necesserily disagreeing with the direction you're going in by saying it could be self hate, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it was self hate.  At least not of his own race, he might just not want to look like his dad.  Plus he was rich and could afford to get surgery at a whim, and could afford to buy friends who just agree with him all the time about everything.  He probably didn't go around with the kind of friends who would say "Don't do that Micheal you're going to look like a proper twat".  These are just my thoughts anyway, just that you don't know what was going around in that guys head.

Hey after all the cultural appropriation my fellow whities have accomplished, who am I to begrudge Michael european facial features if that's what he wants?  But if I'm black I'm thinking he just hates what he -and I- are racially.

Sorry my poor attempts at humor were so oblique.  Saying white people would have trouble with him for being black was just suggesting blatant racism.  Not a view I actually hold by the way, though I do know racist white people most of the people I hang with aren't - or I no longer hang with them.  Is this what is known as "taking the piss"?  I suspect that is what it was supposed to be.  Meh, I wouldn't over think it.