The Statler Waldorf Balcony

[Zen Badger]

Ok, all of the views on the isotropic propagation of light use the Calculated Definition of Time. This is a viewponit of time that did not come about until the early 20th century (maybe late 19th). So scripture does not use this definition of time, it uses the observational definition of time. Under this definition of time light does move an-isotropically. So we are not playing with the speed of light so much as we are just defining time differently. So if all the light beams for the stars reached Earth on the 4th day of creation, this would mean that God created these stars on the 4th day. Even though, by using the calculated definition of time He would have created those same stars a longer period of time ago depending on how many light years the object is away from Earth. Scientists today will still jump back and forth between the two defintions of time, when naming cosmic events they use observed time (supernova 1987a), when you ask them when they believe the event "really" took place they will use the calcuated definition of time. So to argue against the Biblical account of creation with the calculated definition of time is in error because the account is not written using that definition of time. Does that make more sense?

No not really, To compare it to scientists who label a cosmic event by giving it the date it was observed is irrelevent. All that means is that it was spotted then.

I"m not quite sure of the point you trying to make. Are you saying that the universe wasn't created in six literal days?

As to the question, "when science contradicts the Bible?"- I think I answered that in a different thread, but I can do it again if you'd like. Well I think most of us can agree that Science does not deal with absolutes, right? So I do not believe you can use something that is non-absolute to truly contradict something that makes absolute claims. It is very important to also read scripture while paying attention to when it is describing an event that is supposed to be natural, and when the event is supposed to be super-natural. If a virgin did give birth it would be a super-natural or miraculous event, I think we would all agree to this. The Bible describes this as a suepr-natural and miraculous event so I don't think it is appropriate to argue against this event as if it were completely natural. Now if you have a completley naturalistic worldview then I could see why you would not believe this story because it is impossible according to yoru worldview, but that is more just proof that people have different worldviews than it is proof the biblical account never happened. I do not believe science contradicts the Bible though because of the nature of evidence and how it is interpreted.

So when god is quoted in the bible as stating that bats are birds and science claims that they are actually mammals who is wrong?