The Statler Waldorf Balcony

[Statler Waldorf]

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[quote='TheDarkestOfAngels' pid='100160' dateline='1287455143']

Wow. Why indeed statler? why indeed? What physicists? Where?
I don't know what the fallacy of this... thing is that you've presented to me off the top of my head - I'm guessing Non Sequitur, as your question clearly has nothing to do with whether or not it's made up. It certainly doesn't prove it's not made up. The fact that an equation exists doesn't mean it's used in the manner you describe.

Haha, well I guess the units of miles are just made up by Creationists since there are equations used to convert from miles to kilometers used by everyone, but this apparently doesn't prove anything according to you. Read a physics book (above the high school level) and they will all have the equation I just gave you for converting from observational time to calculated time. I got that equation out of my college textbook "Physics: for Scientists and Engineers" (not youtube lol). I can even show you how to do the equation if you need me to.

As I've pointed out to you a number of times, scientists the world over use the operational definition of time. Period. If they need to convert to another unit of measure, they do so. So what? Those units of converstion are well known and in no way affect results, such as the velocity of light in a vacuum, which has been measure time and time again and has been found invariably to be isometric in nature. No amount of flag waving is going to change the fact that the velocity of light demonstrates clearly the ancient nature of the universe.

Really? The earth's mantle is holding ten times the amount of water needed to cover every land mass on the entire planet?
Where, Statler? Where is the water in the mantle? How is the water staying there and not coming up from the mantle, given that any four year old can recognize that rocks sink and water goes up - especially if the earth-balloon popped and all the water escaped?
Is the earth actually a giant sponge and god squeezed it the one time until all the continents disappeared?
Where did the water come out since the entire planet was drowned in water in less than two months?

Oh brother. The water is contained within the mineral structures in the mantle. It's kept in the mantle the same way ground water is kept under ground. You really need to understand what Creationists believe before you try and argue against them. The flood caused drasstic plate tectonices which formed a lot of our current mountain ranges. This would have also caused many of our deepest oceanic trenches. Level these out, and you even have enough water on Earth today to cover the entire planet. So we would not need a lot of water from the mantle, it's just one working model that makes sense. Your reasoning is not even in line with modern Science, many Scientists today believe there was a global flood on Mars despite there not being any visible water on Mars (Reuters, Mars Calamity May have Created Conditions for Life. New York Times, 16 March, 2001- not a youtube video lol) . So a lack of water obviously is not grounds for denying a flood anyways. It's just an added bonus that we have enough water on Earth.

Anyone who believes that the mantle holds significant amounts of water in the form of phase separate H2O or even bound in the minerals simply doesn't understand structural geology, groundwater hydrology (which is one of my areas of expertize), mineralogy (another of my areas of expertize), or geochemistry. Plate Tectonics is settled science. That said, there is a lot that we don't fully understand about the mantle and the core of the Earth. These are areas of active research and active debate.

But there are some things that we know with a high degree of certainty. One is that the mantle itself is bone dry. There aren't enough pore structures in mantle rock to capture water. And the reason for that is because of the intense pressure and temperature that exists at mantle depths. The pores get squeezed shut. So not only is mantle rock impermeable to water and as close to non-porous as a rock can get, the mineralogy of mantle rock doesn't contain any water either. In other words, mantle rock has no hydrous minerals. But in recent years, a transition zone has been identified. That transition zone occurs about 400-600 km down. Above that transition zone, some hydrous minerals can exist. But these transition zones are not global in nature. They occur primarily below subduction zones, where water saturated crust gets subducted and thrust into the mantle. Those slabs are hydrous. The mantle they subduct into is not. And nearly all of that water and other volatiles react with mantle rock and the crustal overburden at depth and high temperatures to form subduction zone volcanic provinces, such as the Cascade Range.

Secondly, at no time in Earth's history was there ever a global sea that covered the entire surface of the Earth. There is no evidence for it whatsoever. None. Creationists have no leg to stand on with this particular fact. As for the global flood on Mars, it wasn't and isn't considered to be a global flood at all. And Mars has no free standing water today because it lost its atmosphere, dude. Water cannot exist at Mars' current atmospheric pressure. And MArs lost its atmosphere because its internal dynamo shut off earlier in its formation. When convection ceased deep inside Mars, it lost its magnetic field. Witrh no magnetic field to protect the atmosphere, the sun stripped it clean off. When the atmosphere was destroyed, nearly all of the water evaporated to space.

I'll end it here, because the rest of this stuff is just too sad.

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As I have ponited out to you numerous times before. I am fully aware of which definition of time Scientists use today. You seem to not be fully aware that scripture was not written by Scientists in the 20th Century. So of course it uses the observational definition of time. So to argue against its account by using a definition of time it did not use is inappropriate. Everyone knows this, it's not complicated.

Well the article that you cited earlier even admitted that the belief that the mantle contains water is a "popular belief amongst many geophysicists". So do these geophysicists not have a clear understanding of their own field like you asserted in yoru response?

Like I said earlier this is just one model that can be used, other models have different means of accounting for the "missing water" (which really is not missing). My point about mars was completely missed if you seriously thought I was not aware of the fact the water is no longer on Mars because of it's abscent atmosphere. The point was there is less evidence on Mars for a global flood than there is on Earth, yet Scientists have no problem believing in one. Many Scientists do not like to agree with scripture so they will take whatever steps are necessary not to do so (case and ponit, you).

There is lots of evidence for a global flood (there are geologists who believe this I am sure you are aware) so I respectfully disagree with you.