(July 23, 2015 at 9:33 am)pocaracas Wrote: If *only* 75% of what he writes is flamming, then we can get to him by just using a warning... maybe he'll turn around to the right side of the force.
(July 23, 2015 at 9:46 am)omnomnom Wrote:First off, it wasn't a lawsuit. The couple simply filed a complaint to the Oregon DOJ. The state agency awarded damages because the Klein's made in into a personal war. The fact remains, and this is one you are refusing to acknowledge, (I am treating you like you're not a Poe here, when we both know you are) that discriminating based on sexual orientation was and is against the law in the State of Oregon. So if you open a business in Oregon and have a closely held belief that you won't provide services for a certain class of people, then you are subject to penalties. The Klein's made that choice, and they were liable. The fine was a little more than a third of the fine given to a Christian ($325k) who was discriminated by a business under the auspices of the same law.(July 23, 2015 at 9:32 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Okay, omnom, let's break this down into brass tacks:About #1: Doing that is basically me passively condoning gay marriage *to my conscience* and possibly even to the public. I have lived in India for at least 13 years and we don't do this new gay thing. How the fuck am I supposed to live and get a better reincarnation if peer pressuring assholes force me to go against my conscience? My religious beliefs and Liberty of Conscience are equally needed to be considered too you know. Man, why do people have to lawsuit me like "Klein Bakery Case" some time back over a simple religious conscience ordeal?
1) In what way is providing a cake for a gay couple's wedding an action that endorses that wedding?
2) Should any store owner be able to restrict what you do with an item they sold you after they sold it to you?
Once again, I'll ask a question: If it was against a person's "conscience" to serve black people in their restaurant, should they be able to say "no colored people allowed?"
(July 23, 2015 at 9:46 am)omnomnom Wrote: About #2:
Dude, they can do whatever the fuck they want a sold cake. But beforehand, If they ask me "Can you give me one for a wedding?" I say "no way". If I ignorantly gave a cake assuming it was a straight wedding and it turned out not be one its OK to my conscience because I did it ignorantly.
Understand that not every theist doesn't go around hating gays like a bunch of Christian assholes do. I don't care about this whole " fundamentalist vs gay war", and I don't hate gays either and I've said that in this thread millions of times.
I do understand that not every theist discriminates against gay people. But when theists do and say hateful things, I'll reserve the right to call it such. You enter into the public sphere and do business in America, where we have anti-discrimination laws, and you agree to abide by those laws.
