Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Little Rik]

You see Ton a lot of people believe a lot of things but when you confront them they come up with the old dogmas.
One thing is to say something.
A different thing is to prove that what they say make sense.

Your lack of self-awareness is staggering.  You don't seem to realize that you are in exactly the same boat.

I  take your opinion in high esteem.  

It seems like you never watch the news.
Doesn't the Arab spring ring any bell in your ears?
Was any thing achieved?

So... you're saying there was no progress in a region of the world under heavy religious influence?  That supports the point I was making.  Do you even understand that you are reinforcing what I am saying, and specifically undermining your own claims?

Not only no progress but in fact the situation is far worse.
One dictator replaced the previous one so all blood lost  for achieving absolutely nothing.  

Does a lifejacket represent progress?
All it does is to put you back on your feet on the ground as you were before you got into trouble.

The life jacket means you survive an event that would otherwise kill you.  So yes, that is progress.

I suggest you to understand the meaning of progress Ton.
Progress is advancement.
Since when putting the feet where you where before is advancement? 

Real progress is possible but not in the physical-material arena so don't tell me that i don't believe in progress.

So real progress is only possible in a realm that doesn't exist, but you claim to believe in progress.  Amazing.  Yet again you redefine a term into uselessness in order to support something you claimed.  You are deliberately reducing your worldview to nonsense, for some weird reason.

So you got evidence that the spiritual realm doesn't exist.
Let us see this evidence Ton.

The report goes back to the 1984 and the late 90.
What is not ages ago for you can be for different people.

So you continue to pile more dishonesty on top of your dishonesty.  I'd like to say that I'm surprised, but I am not.

Time can play funny things Ton.
You may think that the time follow the hours and the minutes like the time established by the  Greenwich Mean Time.
But not, it just doesn't work like that.
It is all about our state of mind.

2) I said that their statements say that they got rid of malaria not that the malaria has been eradicated.
In fact it all turned wrong just as i try to explained you in order to show you how science can not get rid of
problems in a permanent way but you mix all around in order to show that you are correct and i am wrong.
Failed again Ton. 

Correcting your lies is not "mix[ing] all around."  You said they claimed that they got rid of it.  Past tense.  They were claiming that they felt they had the cure and could eradicate it, not that they had.  I will also point out your hypocrisy, in playing word games with the phrase "ages ago" and then playing the exact opposite game with the quotes from scientists.  And then daring to claim that I am the one playing word games.  Does your dishonesty know no depths?  You're so wrong at this point that you cannot salvage your claim, but you are determined to pile lie on top of lie for reasons that I can't even fathom.

Wrong again Ton.
According to them they had a cure to malaria.
This can only means that they came up with a solution and solution means eradication in that sense.
You can play with the words as much as you can.
That's your problem. 

For every person known who die of malaria there got to be at least 20 times more that go unreported that is why i don't believe in the official statistics.

So you just make up statistics when the real statistics don't support your claim?  Are you TRYING to find new ways to be dishonest?  This is just appalling.  You could have simply admitted that you exaggerated your claims and tried to find some other way to make your point, but this constant doubling-down on lies and dishonesty is just bizarre.  It really is.

Ton, you never travel in trouble places.
You wouldn't know that the official statistics mean absolutely nothing.
Keep on dreaming Ton. 

And your attempt to use this one example to show that science doesn't progress is silly.  We have almost completely eradicated diseases like polio and smallpox and measles.  Why haven't we been able to completely eradicate them?  Because of people like YOU, who make false claims and try to drag us backwards, then complain that we're not making progress.  It's tragic.

The reason why medical science never get there is because someone play with us.
But this is something that you will learn later on. 

You can show me the progress of sitting in front of the monitor and i can show you the bad side of it.

All you can do is list things that I already showed are not an issue, and things that are easily remedied with additional knowledge, which can be retrieved via the computer attached to that monitor.  Just because you repeat something that is wrong, does not make it less wrong.

Hard to admit it Ton, doesn't it Ton! 

Night.