RE: Hypocrite Liberals imposing their beliefs
July 23, 2015 at 11:04 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2015 at 11:16 pm by omnomnom.)
(July 23, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:Great idea. Thanx. Why didn't you tell me this before? Why was eveyone a dick about this instead of understanding the issue. At any rate, thanx for the solution: No wedding cakes for anybody. I might lose some money but its better than being lawsuits at. Thanx and good luck.(July 23, 2015 at 1:15 pm)omnomnom Wrote: Baking wedding cakes for such marriages *makes me feel guilty* about disobeying my conscience. Disobeying my conscience by baking it can result in bad sexual karma and I don't want to risk it.
There's a solution for that: don't bake any wedding cakes. That way you won't run afoul of anti-discrimination laws, and you won't be risking your conscience. I mean, there's no requirement that you make wedding cakes, but there is a requirement that whatever products you do sell, you need to sell to everyone that wants one. There's a reason for those laws, they protect all of us, and you don't get to pick and choose which ones apply to you when their blanket nature is the whole point.
Just stop baking wedding cakes, if you're not confident in your ability to bake wedding cakes for all your customers. It's that easy.
Quote: On the other side, Not baking wedding cakes for gays makes lawsuits and I will have my business ruined and me and my brother will have to pack for India and be poor again.
You mentioned the Colorado bakery that got fined in a gay marriage dispute in your first post... you are aware that they weren't fined for not making the cake, right? They were fined because they retaliated to a formal complaint against them by posting the personal details of the gay couple online without their consent and incited harassment against them from other christians, up to and including threatening their children. That payout was due to the mental anguish the couple suffered for the baker's actions unrelated to cakes.
Quote: Thus, I want some support for my Liberty of Conscience rights. Its a tricky issue. I came here to vent this issue and get support but no support except for two nice dudes (thanx @homeless nutter)
You have your freedom of beliefs, but those don't trump every other law. Your religious freedoms have never extended to what you're allowed to do with your business, so you're asking for support for a right you never had.
(July 23, 2015 at 11:28 am)Rahul Wrote:No need to insult me anymore. Some dude got me a solution. You are Rahul an Indian yeah.? Why didn't you understand my cause then? Kya hoga yaar? Ap ko nahi samajte? You know how things are in India and at least you could have been on my side. I'm disappointed in you. It doesn't matter, some non-desi mleccha helped me out. If I see you again, I won't service you to my fucking bakery even if you are a millionaire.(July 23, 2015 at 10:00 am)omnomnom Wrote: In my eyes anything except traditional marriage is immoral and I have the right to believe what I want you Marxist asshole and you KNOW I'm not being a discriminatory fundamentalist. *You don't fucking tell me what to believe*. Don't Impose your shit into me or I swear I'll pray to karma to burn your bigoted ass for all the pain and suffering that I get.
My job is to do what is RIGHT and MORAL ultimately. And if that means refusing wedding cakes, its your fault that you're just a butthurt asshole thats threatening me to go against my beliefs on pain of business failure.
lol Marxist? Me? Where did that come from?
Discriminating against homosexuals having a wedding is discrimination. That's...well that's obvious. You don't have to believe in it. No one is saying that. But you are still not allowed to legally discriminate against someone.
And please do pray your buddhist chants to "burn my bigoted ass". I would be honored that you could find the time to include me. Would you mind letting me know the exact prayer you use? I'd cherish the memento.
Your job running a cake business would be to supply cakes to paying customers. As a member of our society you are legally obligated not to discriminate against people. Selling a cake is not immoral. Even if you sell it to someone you consider an immoral person.