Miracle

[Harris]

Yes, because people at that time had invented both language and means of travel. Some of them certainly (I'm talking 100% chance here) traveled to seas and lakes and met people who knew things about them.

Since they mentioned it in the Quran, then I would say there's a 100% chance they either knew first-hand about the halocline, or from the reported experiences of others. Yes, absolutely.

Lack of evidence leads people to chance conspiracies to guard their ego and dignity from ignominy.

And yet you do not deny that the Quran claims that the only thing holding up birds is Allah.

Correct! I “do not deny that Quran Claims that the only thing holding up birds is Allah.”

God has created wind and wings and taught how to fly by giving birds the innate skills therefore God is holding birds in the sky. Do people not literally hold Air Drones in the sky?

Without wings, wind, or skill no bird can fly. Ostrich is a bird but cannot fly.

Because man can already fly in airplanes, and doesn't have to genetically modify or evolve people with wings.

Man is helpless to have wings like birds and fly like birds even after having all scientific knowhow. This helplessness does not mean that people have lost their desires to fly like birds. Hollywood movies reflect these desires in a compelling manner. Be sure the day man would learn how to grow wings he will grow them straightaway.

Harris Wrote:
Who has the power to create air and to give wings to the birds?

Bennyboy wrote:
Stars / evolution.

Nobody knows why the universe exists. However, obvious fairy tales are obvious, and do not represent an answer to that question.

You say Nature and everything in it (including people) happened because of stars (Supernova) consequently I say that stars have reason and purpose of their existence. Without atoms and forces stars could not have come into existence therefore, atoms and forces have reason and purpose of their existence.

In short, everything is contingent upon the distinctive circumstances of their existence. In this obvious actuality of contingencies, it is absurd to assert that universe is not a contingent being. Universe is dependent and so far, it requires a support, the exigence of necessary being is preordained. Only God is necessary existence, whose essence is identical with his existence.

“O ye men! It is ye that have need of Allah. But Allah is the One Free of all wants, worthy of all praise.”
Faathir (35)
-Verse 15-

We don't need to know the answer to identify made up answers with no evidence behind them. Some of us are comfortable with "I don't know". It's this incessant need for all the answers that has people slurping up any popular myth.

The Quran is no better evidence than Lord of the Rings about the origin of the universe or how it works.

The Heineken Uncertainty Principle says:

"You can never be sure how many beers you had last night."

robvalue Wrote:
The Quran is no better evidence than Lord of the Rings about the origin of the universe or how it works.

Bennyboy wrote:
ROFL

And you laugh at it and weep not,
An-Najm (53)
-Verse 60-

You seem to be having a debate with yourself on this thread about if internal organs feel burning or not.

You say you must have skin to feel a burning sensation.

Quote:There is no need for a common person to go into intricate medical details after having the principal fact that FRESH SKIN is a must condition to feel the burning sensation.

you then say skin is not necessary as other internal organs are sensitive to heat.

Quote:Along with that I had also given you the verses showing that there are internal organs too which are sensitive to heat.

Then you go back to skin is necessary to feel burning because other internal organs won't sense fire.

Quote:Sense of burning is specific to the skin and few other organs. Other parts of the body have other kind of pain but not the sense caused by fire.

Here you're saying, wrongly, fire could not cause pain to any other part of the body except skin.
a) Other internal organs can sense heat.
b) Fire physically destroys internal organs, a small tear burned through a stomach or bladder would cause agony.

I know exactly what I am writing nevertheless, you are striving hard to distort the meanings of the facts that I am showing to you. Truth would never change by merely saying “sun rises in the west.”

Let me recap all what I have written so far:

1. Skin is the largest organ that can sense heat and fire
2. Skin protects all internal organs including organs that can sense heat.
3. Oral intake of hot stuff may affect these heat sensitive organs.

For Skin:
“Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”
An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 56-

For internal organs:
“Is that the (Paradise) better entertainment or the Tree of Zaqqum?
For We have truly made it (as) a trial for the wrong-doers.
For it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell-Fire:
The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils:
Truly they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith.
Then on top of that they will be given a mixture made of boiling water.”
Ash-Shaaffat (37)
-Verse 63 – 67-

For internal organs:
“Verily the tree of Zaqqum
Will be the food of the Sinful,-
Like molten brass; it will boil in their insides.
Like the boiling of scalding water.”
Ad Dukhaan (44)
-Verses 43 – 46

I honestly don't know enough about what these people knew about pain or numbness to comment.

Your honesty is a wise act and good for you.

I still think you're confused about what their theories about pain mean.

If they are saying the brain/heart/soul/mind causes pain they aren't subtracting the element of skin involved.

In comparison to you, I am confident in stating that up until fourteenth century no one has the knowledge about numbness.

If you are an honest person then in place of playing with words just bring one solid statement of some renowned person who lived in seventh century or prior.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...reflex.JPG

This is shown here in this diagram of Descartes. The skin is burned causing sensations from fibres in the body to go from the skin up to the brain.

Does this give any proof that Descartes was aware of numbness?

Quran is clear and precise about numbness without articulating the word “NUMBNESS”