The Statler Waldorf Balcony

[rjh4 is back]

First off, in my defense, asking for names is ridiculous.

I don't disagree and I know it was not you that asked.

Second, I noted that Kurt Wise has made a statement equating to placing ideology over science, thus showing him to be a poor scientist.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Here I disagree. Just because one holds to a certain ideology does not mean that they cannot practice science well. I think Kurt Wise was a Christian and a Creationist when he studied under Gould. If that is the case, then clearly Gould (and whoever else was on Wise's PhD defense board at Harvard) thought Wise could practice good science and have such an ideology.

Thirdly, I note that the people involved hold questionable motives, thus placing them under scrutiny.

And certainly no evolutionary scientist has questionable motives, right?

Saying that you'll deny facts and evidence because your magic man said so is plainly ridiculous - especially ridiculous to hear from a scientist.

I don't think Wise said he would "deny facts and evidence". I think he said exactly the opposite. I think he said that he would be able to practice science based on the facts and evidence even if it goes against his ideology and even if he still holds that ideology.

Also, I gave out examples to combat the "He has a PhD and that makes him worth listening too" with actual examples of wing nuts who also happen to be educate.

No problem here. That argument is ridiculous on either side. It is much more productive to discuss the actual issues.

To conclude, yes, the objective facts matter in the YEC debate. But one must keep in mind that those who clearly state they will ignore science, and thus the objectivity, to match their beliefs, will clearly contribute misleading information if need be. Thus the science is poisoned. It's called "poisoning the well"

As I said above, I think you are misconstruing Wise's statement.

Go suck an egg, you troll.

Brilliant, Syn. (Yes, you can read "sarcasm" here.)

Do you not have the capability of discussing issues with someone who disagrees with you without attempts at belittling them personally?