RE: The Statler Waldorf Balcony
October 22, 2010 at 10:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm by Thor.)
(October 21, 2010 at 6:43 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Nope sorry, still just different roles in the Church.
Yeah, and apparently the "role" of women in the church is to sit down, shut up, don't ask questions and do whatever your husband tells you. This is pretty much the equivalent of "sit in the back of the bus". Only worse. And you want to claim that the Bible doesn't treat women as inferior?

Quote:Men are commanded to love their wives
And we all know how well men have followed that command throughout history, don't we?
Quote:, uh oh! Does this mean men are inferior to women because they are the only ones commanded to love?
Let's see... men are commanded to love their wives. The wives are told that the husband "rules over" them. And you think this is equal? The husband can beat the snot out of his wife for not obeying and still claim to "love" her. Which side of this fence would you rather be on?
Quote:These are all things people who don't understand scripture try to point out,
I understand scripture very well. It is folks like you who try to put a spin on it so you can make it out to be something it isn't.
Quote: women are given roles in the church and they are just as important as the roles men are given.
And what "role" do they have? Other than "shut up and don't ask questions"?
Quote:When you ask someone, "oh is that YOUR wife", or does that mean you legally own that person?
And this is not the context of the passage. It says, "Let your women keep silent in the church". It does NOT say, "Women are to keep silent in the church". See the difference? In this context, "your" implies ownership. As in "your goats" or "your pigs". And this is exactly what we would expect people of that time period to write. These were people who considered wives to be the property of their husbands. And it is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I would expect to be written by a loving and just deity.
Quote: Nope, that's just the way the English works there.
Nice try, but nope.
Quote:Noticed you failed to give verses like this...
Galatians 3:8
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
So what? This verse hardly washes away the ones I quoted. You want more? How about this beauty...
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, "I took this woman and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin", then the father and mother of the young woman shall take and bring out the evidence of the young woman's virginityto the elders of the city at the gate. And the young woman's father shall say to the elders, "I gave my daughter to this man as wife, and he detests her Now he has charged her with shameful conduct, saying, 'I found your daughter was not a virgin', and yet these are the evidences of my daughter's virginity." And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take that man and punish him. And they shall fine him 100 shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name on a virgin of Israel. ANd she shall be his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days. But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death.
So let's review this... Women must be virgins when they marry. If not, they can be stoned to death. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where the men must be virgins when they marry? The guys can have as much sex as they can get before getting married and it's okay! But if a woman does the same thing... STONE HER!!!! And women aren't considered inferior? And what's with the bullshit about the woman being falsely accused and the penalty FOR THE MAN is that he can never divorce his wife? Maybe SHE wants to divorce HIM! But apparently, that's not allowed. Yeah, they're "equals", alright!

Quote:Please tell me, using your Atheistic Worldview why it would be wrong for a person to view women as inferior. This ought to be good.
What kind of dumbass question is this? It's wrong to view women as inferior for the same reason it's wrong to view black people as inferior. What does being an atheist have to do with it?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?