(October 21, 2010 at 7:08 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: It's actually still fair because man is responsible for his sin. Adam was man's represenative, so when Adam fell all of man fell.
So we're not responsibl for our sin, because we inherited it from Adam.
Quote:Rather than punishing all of man (which would be completely just)- God chose to punish some and give others saving grace (even though all man gets some grace because God let's them live longer than they deserve to). Both actions bring glory to God. This is why God does not even let Job ask why everything that happened to him happened. Despite everything that happened to Job, it was still better than he truly deserved. So to second guess God in giving you something better than you deserve would be wrong.
You have a strange definition of justice.
Quote:I actually think being glorified by exercising perfect judgement and grace is a pretty cool way of doing things.
But a pretty ambiguous way of demonstrating his glory.
Quote:I would not argue that God is responsible for Man's sin, or fallen nature. Rather than blaming God for something that Adam did, we should be thanking God for not punishing us to the fullest extent possible.
Why is God just in punishing us for something that Adam did?
Quote:Not using the Bible's definition of evil no. Evil is defined as something contrary to God's purpose or nature. Now if you wanted to make up some new definition for evil, like "causing babies pain" then it would be under that definition. However that would not really prove anything because we just changed the meaning of the word. I like the first definition of evil because it makes it so evil is not dependent on era or race, or anything arbitrary like that.
So, you admit that if God told you to torture babies, you'd do it? If so, I admire the intellectual honesty, if not the sentiment. But basing morality on God's purpose, and specifically the Christian god's purpose, seems pretty arbitrary to me.
Quote:How do you define evil?
That which causes suffering to sentient beings.
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
