atheism and children

[Javaman]

That's how it looks to me too, CL.

It only makes sense if you believe the superstitious mumbo jumbo about the "sacred nature" of sexual intercourse or the "unitive dimension of conjugal love". They're just more assertions that aren't supported by evidence... can you at least see where we are coming from when we reject your explanation as nonsensical?

Furthermore can you see how arrogant and presumptious you sound when you say that IVF babies are the product of immoral and illicit activities? Or how insulting it is to compare IVF to criminal acts?

And how does you or your pope know that I wasn't filled with a sense of "self-giving love" (whatever the hell that means) when I masturbated?

Still curious to know if the punishment for rapists in the afterlife is 1000X worse than the punishment for IVF'ers.

Hm? But I also do believe those things about intercourse.

Again, please no straw. I never said that about babies.

You said that IVF was an immoral and illicit act, and compared it to a criminal activity. So yeah, you did say the IVF babies are the product of immoral and illicit activities. You're the only one offering up straw here.

You have likened me to a criminal, CL, because I wanted a family and used science to make it happen.

And you want me to be cool with your belief in the superstitious mumbo jumbo that supposedly justifies your bigoted attitudes?

I don't think so.

And, again, will a rapist receive a worse punishment than me in the afterlife? You seem pretty clear about the Church's teachings on IVF.... why can't you figure out the answer to my question?