(August 7, 2015 at 4:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(August 7, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: One group says the bible, another only the new testament, a third the Quran…So, ultimately, the theist is left with subjective opinion… An objective morality that is inaccessible is no better than no morality at all.What you are basically saying is that imperfect knowledge is no better than no knowledge at all. It would be like saying that because there are many different languages you cannot know anything about linguistics. Subjective moral reasoning, despite its flaws, has as its object some source of moral authority. Religious texts are an instrumental source of authority, tools religions use to gain knowledge of God, who is the ultimate and objective source of authority.
What you have in those texts is not an imperfect picture of an objective morality. It's still subjective morality because all these different scriptures exist, not to mention the fact that every sect (every person, in fact) interprets those texts differently. What we're saying is that, concerning objective morality, you do not have imperfect knowledge, nor does anyone; what you have is no knowledge because an objective source of moral truth cannot be shown to exist. There are objective facts from which we can try to derive morality (i.e. humans objectively exist, suffering objectively exists, empathy objectively exists, etc.), but the fact remains that an ultimate, universal, absolute source of moral guidance simply does not exist, or if it does we can't prove that it's ever spoken to us.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com