RE: atheism and children
August 8, 2015 at 1:14 am
(This post was last modified: August 8, 2015 at 1:15 am by Exian.)
(August 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:(August 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Exian Wrote: Personal morality exists and it's largely based on a social contract. It's objective morality that doesn't exist.And if that's true then he is only calling God evil on his own moral standard or claiming moral superiority.
His own moral standard- yes. Claiming moral superiority...that's maybe a stretch. When you think through an issue and come to a moral conclusion, it's because you have decided its the superior option. You don't sit around with your morality, being jealous of the other guy's superior morality, thinking "Why am I stuck with these crumby morals.". That one thinks their morals are best is a given.
Quote:Quite often I see others judging God and quite plainly they could do better or would do it differently. Pretty bold statements. Anyone here want one of us to be God?
Having morals is a far cry from playing God. In many cases, all you need is empathy, which evolution has provided.
Quote:If you claim no objective morality, there are only three options left. Moral subjectivism, moral relativism and moral nihilism.
In any of those you cannot logically make statements like:
Rape is wrong to me, and especially to the victim, but probably not to the rapist unless the rapist gets caught.
Hitler and Stalin were wrong unless you ask Hilter and Stalin
Kindness is a virtue if you ask me.
Cruelty is a vicein my opinion. Also might be an extreme example of a coping mechanism
Its wrong to drown a baby in a bathtub for entertainment, there are starving atheists in Africa!
Could probably make the statements I've added though.
Quote:These statements cannot be made sense out of without objective morality or would you care to say these are a matter of opinion or societal norms?
I would care to say that some may be a matter of an informed opinion and definitely dependent on the society you grew up in. In some places they may not be the social norms.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
"Hi Jesus" -robvalue