RE: Shit. What The Hell. Jesus Never Existed
August 13, 2015 at 3:52 am
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2015 at 4:05 am by Aractus.)
(August 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No, Danny. You don't get it...and probably never will.
There is one original story. Mark. The others are fanfics... extensions of the original by later authors writing for different audiences.
Incorrect, Mark didn't come first according to scholar Larry Hurtado:
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Steven,
Corrections to your comment: (1) Luke-Acts doesn’t have a list of names of Jesus’ brothers from which he could have removed James; (2) Luke-Acts (with the other Gospels) refers to Jesus physical mother and brothers (e.g., Luke 8:19); (3) Mark isn’t the earliest source for a brother of Jesus named James, it’s Paul (Gal. 1:19; and see also 1 Cor 9:5 “brothers of the Lord”); (4) the scenes in the Synoptics where Jesus’ mother and brothers come for him and he refuses them in favor of his disciples presuppose that he had a family to reject!
Again, I say, let’s get the data straight before we start drawing (wild!) inferences.
And I see, as usual, you provided no evidence for your claim.
(August 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "Paul" if he is real speaks of a non-earthly jesus. "Paul" knows nothing of Pilate, Nazareth, Mary, Joseph, Caiaphas, etc. That wasn't part of his story. He does not describe Jesus as a miracle worker, healer or teacher. Paul blames Jesus' death on Satan and demons, rather than the Roman government. That wasn't part of his story, either. Somewhere along the lines somebody noticed so when they forged the pastoral epistles they had someone write in 2 Timothy that Pilate and the Jews were involved...but only the dumbest of fundies thinks that 2 Timothy is written by whoever wrote the so-called authentic epistles of "Paul."
There are NO clear first century texts. Much is wishful thinking or, worse, later forgery by the eventual winners. We have no evidence that any Greco-Roman writer heard of Jesus until c 185.
The heretical writings are exactly that. We know even less about them than we do of the canonical shit.
Don't start with Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius. We've been down that road before. If you wish to accept that shit, go ahead. Don't pretend to be a rational human being while doing it.
Modern peer-reviewed publications are fine as long as they agree with you. If they don't you pull the No True Scotsman routine and claim they are not "real scholars." That disqualifies you. You are too invested in believing in your bullshit.
And once again you show your ignorance Min. I'll just address the question of are some of the New Testament texts first century or not - what evidence do you have that would rule out any of the 29 books of the NT as being written in the first century? You have not presented any - all you say is "nu-uh". You know, it's fine to say "we don't know for certain whether these books were written in the first century"; however it seems likely to most scholars that a number of books were written in the first century and it appears certain that Paul's writings are from the first century.
(August 12, 2015 at 9:52 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
And yet we're the crackpots.
I also like how, when he mentioned the books by Ehrman and Carrier (I guess that's what he was talking about), he made a point of calling them academically questionable, but when he listed his own sources makes sure to throw the term "peer-review" in there. He started with argument from popularity and then turned around to dump poison down the well.
Yes the books intended for the public written by Ehrman are of little academic quality, you're better off going straight to the sources that he purports to base his books on, for example as you can see above he makes reference to some of Larry Hurtado's publications, and Hurtado is critical of the way in which he perhaps miscategorised the academics he was quoting from in one particular book. If however you want to quote from Ehrman's academic publications I have no issue at all with that. I quoted it because he vindicates what I've been saying about Ehrman for a while - and that is you have to take things that he has an opinion on but aren't his area of expertise with a grain of salt. There are plenty of other scholars who specialise in those matters to go to.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke