Miracle

[bennyboy]

The scientific facts AS WE KNOW THEM are not trivial.

Ancient people had not even the least idea about today’s scientific facts. Saying they did know something about contemporary scientific facts is a self-deception. All modern scientific discoveries were made possible because of cutting-edge scientific tools, which were not present even in the dreams of ancient people.

And the Quran doesn't show a deep understanding of scientific facts, either.

Is there any living being on earth, which is not a product of clay i.e. soil and water?

Do not hasten to answer. Better, you ponder over this question rather than giving a reckless response.

First of all, this idea was in the Old Testament, maybe 1000 years before the Quran. Second, it is not a scientific idea, but a statement of observable reality. Also, clay doesn't turn into sperm, there's a lot more to it than that. Important details are missing, and now you say. . . wait for it. . . "Yeahbut the Quran is not a science text book."

I ask you to go out in the night along with your eye and language skills and look at the sky. Then come back and tell me using your language skills that your eyes has clearly seen how UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING.

Look at any number of mythologies, and they talking about how something comes from nothing, then grows into even more. Unless you know WHY the Quran writers said that, you do not know that they are talking about the expanding of the universe as we know it, or just the idea that God has the capacity to make stuff.

Do not you know people in the west are fond of Jihad, Torture, and subjugating women? Otherwise, why they are accepting Islam as their religion?

I can't speak for anyone who has access to Western education but chooses a fairy tale for their world view. Maybe they weren't paying attention in science class, or didn't go on to university and study 1st-year logic?

Although you or anyone else cannot bring even one historical record that may give perfect sense that ancient people had idea about halocline yet for the sake of argument I agree that perhaps someone had observed this phenomenon somewhere in the Arabian Desert (perhaps in some Oasis) and wrote about it in Quran.

I don't need to deeply study history to tell you that anybody with eyes can see that where a river joins the ocean, you can see a line between the two patches of color. I've seen it myself, and I have to assume that desert people like the prophet Mohammed weren't as stupid and uneducated as you keep insisting they are.

But what about Darkness in Depth of a deep Ocean, Big Bang, Expanding Universe, etc. Were ancient people able to observe these phenomena with their bare eyes?

I don't find the words Big Bang anywhere in the Quran. What I find are relatively ambiguous statements that you choose to insist mean the Big Bang.

You mean to say they knew how universe is expanding or how Dark Ocean is in its depths.

No. You haven't established that they knew the universe is expanding. As for the darkness of the ocean, I'm surprised by your lack of life experience. If you go into the ocean and dive just a couple meters down, you can instantly discover that the ocean is dark. I mean, seriously. Just go swimming and fucking look down. It's dark down there.

You have yet to create your position by proving how Ancient people learned about Expanding Universe without having the luxury of telescopes and modern scientific techniques.

You have to first prove they were actually talking about the expansion of the physical universe, not just a metaphor for God creating a bunch of stuff. But you can't, because you take a single line of scripture, and add a hundred lines of metacommentary and interpretation.