Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[Captain Scarlet]

Maybe, just maybe if others think you are not being clear and think you are choosing to serve up a word salad the fault isn't only with others. To say "I live in a world that is 'functionally real' but not 'objectively real'.." and to defend it by saying it functions like the matrix or is some video game projected from the mind of god or some similar nonsense is I'm afraid as cohrent, to me, as saying "I am distimming a gobschmeck".  

I think it's you, Captain, because it makes sense to me.  The world we live in is one of sense experiences and observations about them.  You can experience seeing and walking on a bridge, and it's therefore functionally real.  But the bridge doesn't exist as you experience it, because QM.  And idealism goes even further than that. . . the QM particles themselves may not be objectively real, either.  In fact, there's pretty solid evidence that they are not, unless you totally abuse the words "objective" and "real."

Am I reading you right, AKD?

I am glad someone finds meaning in it. I am pointing out that I and others do not. So what?

Again you seem to resort to mysticism and spooky QM to claim the objective world is not really there. QM does not state that physical things are not real it is by definition a system of mechanics which applies to a world conceived of as particles. QFT describes the same world as fields not particles.  Neither describe an objective world not really there, neither have clearly won the argument.

Neither deny the bridge is there and objectively real, because of the emergent qualities of the quantum world which are memeasurable. You cannot apply the quantum world to the macro world, which is the only world we experience.  Why would you think a bridge isnt there because QM cannot find the particles?  That is a huge unjustified leap not supported by the physics I'm aware of, and is exactly the woo woo tactic of Deepak Chopra when he tries to invoke QM non locality in support of his mysticism.

By extension are you are therefore arguing that you do not exist, this forum doesn't exist, the computer you use doesnt exist, that really we are communicating by telepathy. Are you claiming the world is the conscious creation of a mind who can wish and make it so.  If this is the case why can't they just alter your mind at a whim, how can you be confident of your own existence and thoughts even as a mind? Is your mind just the puppet of a another mind who is fooling you. Can it be that your being fooled into thinking idealism could be true by this consciousness.  Where does this stop when you deny reality.